4 ms·

Médecins Sans Frontières actually released a press release [1] two days ago reporting that more than 6,700 Rohingya have been killed in one month. That is their

Médecins Sans Frontières actually released a press release [1] two days ago reporting that more than 6,700 Rohingya have been killed in one month. That is their most conservative estimate. MSF does not use the word genocide, but their report points towards it IMO. I find the fact that you're suggesting that the atrocities are being made up by the Rohingya tasteless. Thousands of innocent people are being killed, that can't just be brushed aside because other members of their community have been involved in insurrection. [1]. http://www.msf.org/en/article/myanmarbangladesh-msf-surveys-estimate-least-6700-rohingya-were-killed-during-attacks http://www.msf.org/en/article/myanmarbangladesh-msf-surveys-...

Mikeb85 9y ago
A survey of those in refugee camps in Bangladesh and then extrapolating those survey results to cover the whole population isn't actually proof of anything. They literally did a survey of survivors, they don't have any bodies. So questioning a lack of proof is tasteless, but it's ok to start a conflict or drum up widespread outrage because something might be true? The only reason I question things is because the Rohingya have literally been waging an insurrection for this entire generation's lives, they have ample motive to lie. Also, the MSF survey sample size was 2 thousand people, and they didn't verify any reports, just assumed they were true.
- jjevanoorschot 9y ago
  MSF are treating wounded refugees, so there is definitely proof of violence. There are 800,000 Rohingya refugees living in Bangladesh [1]. They must be running from something, right? I don't understand why you go to such an extent doubting the stories of these refugees. [1]. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/MYANMAR-ROHINGYA/010051VB46G/index.html http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/MYANMAR-ROHINGYA/0...
  - tptacek 9y ago
    It's political. For reasons I don't fully understand, part of the identity surface area for a certain (hard to articulate, but let's call it "Trump-sympathetic") political orientation has come to include "the Rohingya Genocide is manufactured". It's difficult to understand why that would be a useful stance; it seems like pure malice, since neither side of this conflict is particularly germane to US partisan politics. But if you dig in, you're going to discover that Rohingya Truthism is a phenomenon of the performative branch of the right wing.
    - Mikeb85 9y ago
      And part of left-wing identity is to ignore all evidence and history which would ever suggest a particular people or religion could commit atrocities themselves lest those left-wingers ever be accused of being racist. There's actual history to the Rohingya conflict, it didn't come out of a vacuum and your comment just hand-waves all that away.

Mikeb85 9y ago

A survey of those in refugee camps in Bangladesh and then extrapolating those survey results to cover the whole population isn't actually proof of anything. They literally did a survey of survivors, they don't have any bodies. So questioning a lack of proof is tasteless, but it's ok to start a conflict or drum up widespread outrage because something might be true? The only reason I question things is because the Rohingya have literally been waging an insurrection for this entire generation's lives, they have ample motive to lie. Also, the MSF survey sample size was 2 thousand people, and they didn't verify any reports, just assumed they were true.

jjevanoorschot 9y ago
MSF are treating wounded refugees, so there is definitely proof of violence. There are 800,000 Rohingya refugees living in Bangladesh [1]. They must be running from something, right? I don't understand why you go to such an extent doubting the stories of these refugees. [1]. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/MYANMAR-ROHINGYA/010051VB46G/index.html http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/MYANMAR-ROHINGYA/0...
- tptacek 9y ago
  It's political. For reasons I don't fully understand, part of the identity surface area for a certain (hard to articulate, but let's call it "Trump-sympathetic") political orientation has come to include "the Rohingya Genocide is manufactured". It's difficult to understand why that would be a useful stance; it seems like pure malice, since neither side of this conflict is particularly germane to US partisan politics. But if you dig in, you're going to discover that Rohingya Truthism is a phenomenon of the performative branch of the right wing.
  - Mikeb85 9y ago
    And part of left-wing identity is to ignore all evidence and history which would ever suggest a particular people or religion could commit atrocities themselves lest those left-wingers ever be accused of being racist. There's actual history to the Rohingya conflict, it didn't come out of a vacuum and your comment just hand-waves all that away.