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What many do not realize that this crisis, while regional, has the potential to fuel global conflicts in near future. There are roughly 5 million refugees in Ba

What many do not realize that this crisis, while regional, has the potential to fuel global conflicts in near future. There are roughly 5 million refugees in Bangladesh at present, a country which itself has poor infrastructure and struggling under the weight of its over population. A large number of these refugees are children and young adults, who saw their villages burned, family members raped and killed. They will be easy prey to Jihadist propaganda. They will be recruited by extremist groups, they will commit atrocities in the name of revenge/religion, which in turn will increase the anti-muslim sentiments around the world. Nationalists and ultra-right leaders will use this as a platform to rise to power.

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kurosaki1990 9y ago
This is how ISIS was created after USA terrorise Muslims in the region raping, killing.
- adventured 9y ago
  That's incorrect. ISIS was created out of a power vacuum in the region, between the US being asked to leave Iraq and the Iraqi Government becoming strong enough to control its own security fully, and the Syrian civil war. Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoating its creation. ISIS is just another in a very long line of warlord-type regimes that exist out of opportunism to seize power. There's nothing special about it. It's extremely similar to the types of factions that have dominated countries like Afghanistan for a thousand years.
  - fao_ 9y ago
    > Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoating its creation. Actually, almost all of the ISIS higher-ups were radicalised within a US-run prisoner camp[0][1][2][3][4]. Many of the ISIS milita are US-trained soldiers whose funding got pulled, so of course, they went to the nearest employer. So yes, it absolutely is because of US abuses. If the US had run the camp correctly, there would have been no opportunity for the prisoners to radicalise one another. If the US had handled withdrawing properly, the militia wouldn't have gone to ISIS. Sure, it's not 100% the fault of the US, but to say that it has nothing to do with the US is just plain ignorant. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-i... [1]: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-bucca-the-us-prison-that-became-the-birthplace-of-isis-9838905.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-buc... [2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/04/how-an-american-prison-helped-ignite-the-islamic-state/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/0... [3]: https://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-where-isis-was-born/ https://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-wh... [4]: https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/how-a-u-s-prison-camp-in-iraq-accidentally-formed-isis/ https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/how-a-u-s-prison-camp-in-iraq-...
  - shadowtree 9y ago
    Guess you should acknowledge the US invasion as the initial trigger. Then the fiasco that unfolded, with people like Wolfowitz, Bremer, etc making every single possible mistake there is. Dissolve the Iraqi army? Sure, why not? Incomptence galore, back in full swing in the Trump admin.
erik14th 9y ago
My guess is that the West is trying to copy the East(China), and by that I mean that we are gonna see the rise of extremist governments that will pass as an answer to extremist groups but whose real interest lies in the ultra-efficient "social"-capitalism that China perfected. The tighter your grasp over people lives, the easier is is to have them buy stupid shit all the time and keep the wheels moving. And there we go again, till everyone is repressed enough that innovation will once again be a luxury of crazy people. Social and economical changes are usually the work of people that fail fast, move fast and break things. "make something people want" would work if people actually knew what they wanted, but most people have no idea about what their priorities are, so "make something people will get addicted to" works a lot better.
Mikeb85 9y ago
The Rohingya have literally been waging jihad for 60 years. This conflict started because of jihadist propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...
- farseer 9y ago
  >>Following independence in 1948, the newly formed union government of the predominantly-Buddhist country denied citizenship to the Rohingyas, subjecting them to extensive systematic discrimination in the country. From the Wikipedia article you posted.
  - Mikeb85 9y ago
    Because they were literally the enemy in WWII. The line right above what you posted, but conveniently didn't quote.
    - farseer 9y ago
      Burma was a British colony during WWII. Are you really going to call someone the enemy for not siding with the murderous regime of imperial Japan?
      - candiodari 9y ago
        I think what is being talked about is this, or what happened, right nextdoor by essentially the same organisation, and therefore what could reasonably have been expected to happen if the revolution by muslims had succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_vio... So yes, this is a bit of a case of "A tried to commit genocide on B. B won and, as it turns out, is not happy with the attempt". One might also point out that the treatment of non-muslims in the original country of these people (Bangladesh) is worse, in terms of legal rights, in terms of treatment by the security forces, in terms of destruction, in terms of death toll, ... and yet ... no complaints from the UN, and certainly no action by anyone. So let's just stop joking here: these people are being attacked because they directly attacked the security forces. That sucks. But these people also constantly commit violence against minorities in their midst (in fact that's how this conflict started), so let's just not pretend otherwise : yes, Rohingya are losing here, and yet they're still the racists in this conflict, and do commit genocide. Such a thing is in fact possible.

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kurosaki1990 9y ago

This is how ISIS was created after USA terrorise Muslims in the region raping, killing.

adventured 9y ago
That's incorrect. ISIS was created out of a power vacuum in the region, between the US being asked to leave Iraq and the Iraqi Government becoming strong enough to control its own security fully, and the Syrian civil war. Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoating its creation. ISIS is just another in a very long line of warlord-type regimes that exist out of opportunism to seize power. There's nothing special about it. It's extremely similar to the types of factions that have dominated countries like Afghanistan for a thousand years.
- fao_ 9y ago
  > Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoating its creation. Actually, almost all of the ISIS higher-ups were radicalised within a US-run prisoner camp[0][1][2][3][4]. Many of the ISIS milita are US-trained soldiers whose funding got pulled, so of course, they went to the nearest employer. So yes, it absolutely is because of US abuses. If the US had run the camp correctly, there would have been no opportunity for the prisoners to radicalise one another. If the US had handled withdrawing properly, the militia wouldn't have gone to ISIS. Sure, it's not 100% the fault of the US, but to say that it has nothing to do with the US is just plain ignorant. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-i... [1]: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-bucca-the-us-prison-that-became-the-birthplace-of-isis-9838905.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-buc... [2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/04/how-an-american-prison-helped-ignite-the-islamic-state/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/0... [3]: https://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-where-isis-was-born/ https://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-wh... [4]: https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/how-a-u-s-prison-camp-in-iraq-accidentally-formed-isis/ https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/how-a-u-s-prison-camp-in-iraq-...
- shadowtree 9y ago
  Guess you should acknowledge the US invasion as the initial trigger. Then the fiasco that unfolded, with people like Wolfowitz, Bremer, etc making every single possible mistake there is. Dissolve the Iraqi army? Sure, why not? Incomptence galore, back in full swing in the Trump admin.

erik14th 9y ago

My guess is that the West is trying to copy the East(China), and by that I mean that we are gonna see the rise of extremist governments that will pass as an answer to extremist groups but whose real interest lies in the ultra-efficient "social"-capitalism that China perfected. The tighter your grasp over people lives, the easier is is to have them buy stupid shit all the time and keep the wheels moving. And there we go again, till everyone is repressed enough that innovation will once again be a luxury of crazy people. Social and economical changes are usually the work of people that fail fast, move fast and break things. "make something people want" would work if people actually knew what they wanted, but most people have no idea about what their priorities are, so "make something people will get addicted to" works a lot better.

Mikeb85 9y ago

The Rohingya have literally been waging jihad for 60 years. This conflict started because of jihadist propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...

farseer 9y ago
>>Following independence in 1948, the newly formed union government of the predominantly-Buddhist country denied citizenship to the Rohingyas, subjecting them to extensive systematic discrimination in the country. From the Wikipedia article you posted.
- Mikeb85 9y ago
  Because they were literally the enemy in WWII. The line right above what you posted, but conveniently didn't quote.
  - farseer 9y ago
    Burma was a British colony during WWII. Are you really going to call someone the enemy for not siding with the murderous regime of imperial Japan?
    - candiodari 9y ago
      I think what is being talked about is this, or what happened, right nextdoor by essentially the same organisation, and therefore what could reasonably have been expected to happen if the revolution by muslims had succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_vio... So yes, this is a bit of a case of "A tried to commit genocide on B. B won and, as it turns out, is not happy with the attempt". One might also point out that the treatment of non-muslims in the original country of these people (Bangladesh) is worse, in terms of legal rights, in terms of treatment by the security forces, in terms of destruction, in terms of death toll, ... and yet ... no complaints from the UN, and certainly no action by anyone. So let's just stop joking here: these people are being attacked because they directly attacked the security forces. That sucks. But these people also constantly commit violence against minorities in their midst (in fact that's how this conflict started), so let's just not pretend otherwise : yes, Rohingya are losing here, and yet they're still the racists in this conflict, and do commit genocide. Such a thing is in fact possible.