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Isn't this just the nature of reality though? A never-ending battle for resources and territory? On time lapse, even tree roots are fighting for water, and le

Isn't this just the nature of reality though? A never-ending battle for resources and territory? On time lapse, even tree roots are fighting for water, and leaves are fighting for sunlight. I feel like this article might as well be called, "Overcoming Reality." Which the article basically admits, since these in-group / out-group distinctions are so deeply hardwired into our neurology. Yes, cooperation works sometimes, but it's usually to beat out another cooperative group.

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joe_the_user 9y ago
Hmm, Levels of competition within a given collection of organisms is relative - the cells of the human only occasionally compete directly - in the rebellion known as cancer (which clearly isn't the norm). Not all societies compete at the same level but levels of competition also depend on the level of technologies and resources available. English society didn't stay in permanent civil war when muskets were introduced but you can see situations where the introduction of muskets and potatoes cause civil wars in societies where they were introduced [1]. Now, in the US since WWII and especially since the 1980s, an increase in resources has been channeled to allow society to become more competitive. One could easily imagine that if this trend continues indefinitely, things may well reach the level of something akin to civil war. Edit: whether one see cooperation as a mean of competition or competition as means of cooperation is kind of a matter of taste. An army facing another army can experience toxic levels of internal competition that prevents it from being effective against an enemy (or oppositely, it might experience a lack of "killer instinct" before the key moments I suppose). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars
ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
I thought exactly as you did. But then I read this book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/189989.Finite_and_Infinite_Games https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/189989.Finite_and_Infini... Your conception of "Reality" doesn't even include Zero Sum Games. Once you incorporate that, you can then look at the Finite and Infinite distinction. The book is a tough read, but I guarantee you will love it, and will conclude that your model here explains 25% of "reality" at most.
- Danihan 9y ago
  Thanks, I'll check it out. Edit: The one star reviews on Amazon are hilarious.

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joe_the_user 9y ago

Hmm, Levels of competition within a given collection of organisms is relative - the cells of the human only occasionally compete directly - in the rebellion known as cancer (which clearly isn't the norm). Not all societies compete at the same level but levels of competition also depend on the level of technologies and resources available. English society didn't stay in permanent civil war when muskets were introduced but you can see situations where the introduction of muskets and potatoes cause civil wars in societies where they were introduced [1]. Now, in the US since WWII and especially since the 1980s, an increase in resources has been channeled to allow society to become more competitive. One could easily imagine that if this trend continues indefinitely, things may well reach the level of something akin to civil war. Edit: whether one see cooperation as a mean of competition or competition as means of cooperation is kind of a matter of taste. An army facing another army can experience toxic levels of internal competition that prevents it from being effective against an enemy (or oppositely, it might experience a lack of "killer instinct" before the key moments I suppose). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars

ghostbrainalpha 9y ago

I thought exactly as you did. But then I read this book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/189989.Finite_and_Infinite_Games https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/189989.Finite_and_Infini... Your conception of "Reality" doesn't even include Zero Sum Games. Once you incorporate that, you can then look at the Finite and Infinite distinction. The book is a tough read, but I guarantee you will love it, and will conclude that your model here explains 25% of "reality" at most.

Danihan 9y ago
Thanks, I'll check it out. Edit: The one star reviews on Amazon are hilarious.