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Slowly but surely, our open internet will get choked. This is just one step in horrible path that will lead to our largest corporations controlling almost every

by socrates1998 9y ago

Slowly but surely, our open internet will get choked. This is just one step in horrible path that will lead to our largest corporations controlling almost everything in our lives with very little competition. I am blaming the tech giants for this ruling. They are the only ones with enough power to challenge this horrible ruling and they sat idle and watched it happen. They may have given lip service to net neutrality, but their lack of enthusiasm and almost zero effort speaks volumes on their true opinions. Microsoft crossed over to the dark side a long time ago. Now, Google, Apple, Facebook join them in completely abandoning the ethos upon which the companies were founded. I have been skeptical of their true intentions for years, and facebook has probably been corrupt since day one, but I thought if they were able to keep net neutrality, then I would think there was a chance for them. No longer. They are gone. Truly sad day for the world.

adventured 9y ago
21 of the last 23 years of the Internet in the US, there has not been net neutrality. Turned out really bad huh. Net neutrality didn't exist in 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015.
- guelo 9y ago
  Lies
  - dang 9y ago
    Could you please stop posting flamebait to HN? We've asked you before. Eventually we ban accounts that keep breaking the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- Retroity 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#FCC_attempts_at_enforcing_net_neutrality_(2005%E2%80%932010) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S... It's been there far longer than you think, just in different forms. It's changed as the internet has.
- jonbronson 9y ago
  Net Neutrality is the default position, so in a sense has always existed from the inception of the internet. Only within the last 10 years have telcoms begun a series of intentional efforts to begin throttling, and manipulating traffic in a way that falls outside of the bounds of Net Neutrality.
- charleslmunger 9y ago
  Please don't spread this false talking point any further. https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ "By a 3-2 vote, the FCC concluded that Comcast monitored the content of its customers' internet connections and selectively blocked peer-to-peer connections in violation of network neutrality rules. The selective blocking of file sharing traffic interfered with users' rights to access the internet and to use applications of their choice, the commission said." Net neutrality has been the status quo since the start of the internet. First from the threat of regulation, then from Title I, then from Title II after Verizon's lawsuit.
ebcode 9y ago
I couldn't agree more. When it comes time to sum up this administration with one word, "sad" will be it.
a_tractor 9y ago
Seriously, silicon valley playing the role of "poor ole me" content provider that's "with the people" trying to defeat the big bad telecoms was completely absurd. I mean good lord, I am supposed to believe GOOG and APPL and FB and AMZN couldn't match lobbying efforts? Please. The other absurd thing is people worried about Netflix, which as far back as I could remember is a big reason why this whole debate started in the first place. How about, if you want to watch TV, get TV. Leave the internet to information that doesn't have an alternative. They were fine with Uber operating in an unregulated manner while dominating highly regulated competition. Soon I wont be able to hail a cab in Manhattan and we will all be crying about muh monopolies again. All you needed to know about GOOG was the fact that it ever crossed their minds to make their motto "Don't be evil." Hopefully there is opportunity to return to decentralization with the blockchain and projects like Substratum.
- harryf 9y ago
  > Seriously, silicon valley playing the role of "poor ole me" content provider that's "with the people" trying to defeat the big bad telecoms was completely absurd. I mean good lord, I am supposed to believe GOOG and APPL and FB and AMZN couldn't match lobbying efforts? Please. What's not clear is how much money Google, Facebook, Amazon and Netflix put into firing up the keep net neutrality campaign, but I'd assume there was quite a significant war chest available, judging by the size of the outcry. There were "viral" vids showing up on Reddit for example where the channel looked a lot like it was run by a think tank or similar.
- mbillie1 9y ago
  > How about, if you want to watch TV, get TV. Leave the internet to information that doesn't have an alternative. Thanks for this valuable and insightful contribution.

adventured 9y ago

21 of the last 23 years of the Internet in the US, there has not been net neutrality. Turned out really bad huh. Net neutrality didn't exist in 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015.

guelo 9y ago
Lies
- dang 9y ago
  Could you please stop posting flamebait to HN? We've asked you before. Eventually we ban accounts that keep breaking the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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Retroity 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#FCC_attempts_at_enforcing_net_neutrality_(2005%E2%80%932010) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S... It's been there far longer than you think, just in different forms. It's changed as the internet has.
jonbronson 9y ago
Net Neutrality is the default position, so in a sense has always existed from the inception of the internet. Only within the last 10 years have telcoms begun a series of intentional efforts to begin throttling, and manipulating traffic in a way that falls outside of the bounds of Net Neutrality.
charleslmunger 9y ago
Please don't spread this false talking point any further. https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ "By a 3-2 vote, the FCC concluded that Comcast monitored the content of its customers' internet connections and selectively blocked peer-to-peer connections in violation of network neutrality rules. The selective blocking of file sharing traffic interfered with users' rights to access the internet and to use applications of their choice, the commission said." Net neutrality has been the status quo since the start of the internet. First from the threat of regulation, then from Title I, then from Title II after Verizon's lawsuit.

ebcode 9y ago

I couldn't agree more. When it comes time to sum up this administration with one word, "sad" will be it.

a_tractor 9y ago

Seriously, silicon valley playing the role of "poor ole me" content provider that's "with the people" trying to defeat the big bad telecoms was completely absurd. I mean good lord, I am supposed to believe GOOG and APPL and FB and AMZN couldn't match lobbying efforts? Please. The other absurd thing is people worried about Netflix, which as far back as I could remember is a big reason why this whole debate started in the first place. How about, if you want to watch TV, get TV. Leave the internet to information that doesn't have an alternative. They were fine with Uber operating in an unregulated manner while dominating highly regulated competition. Soon I wont be able to hail a cab in Manhattan and we will all be crying about muh monopolies again. All you needed to know about GOOG was the fact that it ever crossed their minds to make their motto "Don't be evil." Hopefully there is opportunity to return to decentralization with the blockchain and projects like Substratum.

harryf 9y ago
> Seriously, silicon valley playing the role of "poor ole me" content provider that's "with the people" trying to defeat the big bad telecoms was completely absurd. I mean good lord, I am supposed to believe GOOG and APPL and FB and AMZN couldn't match lobbying efforts? Please. What's not clear is how much money Google, Facebook, Amazon and Netflix put into firing up the keep net neutrality campaign, but I'd assume there was quite a significant war chest available, judging by the size of the outcry. There were "viral" vids showing up on Reddit for example where the channel looked a lot like it was run by a think tank or similar.
mbillie1 9y ago
> How about, if you want to watch TV, get TV. Leave the internet to information that doesn't have an alternative. Thanks for this valuable and insightful contribution.