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If you ask the user base if they are OK with a price increase you are going to get a big NO every time.

delecti 9y ago
Their user base includes both patrons and creators. Obviously patrons would say they don't want a price increase, all other things being equal, but they might be okay with it knowing that increase goes to creators. And asking a handful of high earning creators could have given them good feedback on why it's a bad idea.
- slededit 9y ago
  But the increase was going to the company Patreon not the creators. That was mostly the point - they need/want to make more money.
  - firloop 9y ago
    It didn’t really seem like Patreon was making significantly more money from the new model, fees were higher because they chose to no longer batch charges. The fact that this belief is so widespread is a major testament to Patreon’s failed messaging.
    - slededit 9y ago
      Not batching charges would be so needlessly wasteful that I refuse to believe that was really their intent.
      - firloop 9y ago
        Fair. It's true that they didn't announce the unbundling until after the initial wave of complaints.
    - hutzlibu 9y ago
      "fees were higher because they chose to no longer batch charges. " Why did they decide that?? (sorry did not read all blogpost in case it is there)
      - firloop 9y ago
        Scroll way down on this page https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure ... apparently people were getting confused by the batched charges
  - alexashka 9y ago
    I feel like Patreon is trying to please everyone, which in the end pleases no one. If Patreon came out and said hey, we've built a platform for years, this is incredibly expensive, we need to show a profit or shut this entire thing down. We're going to start charging a bit more, AND give you this thing you've been asking for in return. Then everyone would be happy. They need to follow the shit sandwich strategy of good, shit news, some more good stuff for you guys. Instead they dropped the shit on the community, arrogantly hoping they'll simply eat it.
- dawnerd 9y ago
  Creators need to treat it like business income and realize that whatever fees patreon takes is just the cost of business.
  - slededit 9y ago
    No better business than forcing your supplier to reduce prices (or preventing them from increasing them).
- egypturnash 9y ago
  The original post about this change pitched it entirely in terms of "more money going to creators". I am a creator and my immediate response was to think about the math for a few seconds and go OH HELL NO.
Dylan16807 9y ago
That's not true. I'm completely fine with the idea of paying processing fees! Once per month.

Their user base includes both patrons and creators. Obviously patrons would say they don't want a price increase, all other things being equal, but they might be okay with it knowing that increase goes to creators. And asking a handful of high earning creators could have given them good feedback on why it's a bad idea.

slededit 9y ago
But the increase was going to the company Patreon not the creators. That was mostly the point - they need/want to make more money.
- firloop 9y ago
  It didn’t really seem like Patreon was making significantly more money from the new model, fees were higher because they chose to no longer batch charges. The fact that this belief is so widespread is a major testament to Patreon’s failed messaging.
  - slededit 9y ago
    Not batching charges would be so needlessly wasteful that I refuse to believe that was really their intent.
    - firloop 9y ago
      Fair. It's true that they didn't announce the unbundling until after the initial wave of complaints.
  - hutzlibu 9y ago
    "fees were higher because they chose to no longer batch charges. " Why did they decide that?? (sorry did not read all blogpost in case it is there)
    - firloop 9y ago
      Scroll way down on this page https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure ... apparently people were getting confused by the batched charges
- alexashka 9y ago
  I feel like Patreon is trying to please everyone, which in the end pleases no one. If Patreon came out and said hey, we've built a platform for years, this is incredibly expensive, we need to show a profit or shut this entire thing down. We're going to start charging a bit more, AND give you this thing you've been asking for in return. Then everyone would be happy. They need to follow the shit sandwich strategy of good, shit news, some more good stuff for you guys. Instead they dropped the shit on the community, arrogantly hoping they'll simply eat it.
dawnerd 9y ago
Creators need to treat it like business income and realize that whatever fees patreon takes is just the cost of business.
- slededit 9y ago
  No better business than forcing your supplier to reduce prices (or preventing them from increasing them).
egypturnash 9y ago
The original post about this change pitched it entirely in terms of "more money going to creators". I am a creator and my immediate response was to think about the math for a few seconds and go OH HELL NO.

Dylan16807 9y ago

That's not true. I'm completely fine with the idea of paying processing fees! Once per month.