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> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?

by cat199 9y ago

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Mao wasn’t really, he was content to let the KMT fight off the Japanese while the communists would conserve their strength for the oncoming civil war; Chiangkai Shek knew this and tried to play the same game, but the Americans wouldn’t let him. Mao is actually on record for thanking Japan in one of his weird off the cuff remarks: > "(Japan) doesn't have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d'état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!"
- whooshee 9y ago
  It was more like irony, Mao also thanked Chiang who killed his some of his family members and he thanked America who killed his son. If you read history, Mao insisted on fighting against the Japanese invaders before Chang did. Do not forget KMT had America assistance in civil war, but they lost, because they were just too messy with economies and care too little about 90% of Chinese poor people.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    Mao insisted on the KMT fighting Japanese invaders before Chiang did for sure, but he still didn’t bother committing substantial forces to the war. Mao also didn’t care much about poor people, see how many Chinese civilians died in the Seige of Changchun. Mao was basically a sociopath even if Chiang wasn’t much better; he was basically a smarter Donald Trump of his time, who knows what he would have written on weibo if it existed at the time!
    - whooshee 9y ago
      There was a group of communist soldiers fighting against Japanese invaders in northeast China Manchuria when KMT didn't officially do anything about that. Actually Chiang attacked communist army even when they were fighting together against Japan in later years. When it comes to Seige of Changchun, why KMT didn't go out fighting and just stay and rob people's food? Why didn't they just surrender or went out start to fight? Why waited to surrender in the end but with poor people had nothing to eat. That was a shame indeed. It was a cruel civil war, I cannot say which side is strictly morally superior, given innocent people got starved . Mao was a complicated person, there are people who thank him throughout life and people who hate him till death. He has done good and bad, he got rid of land lords, get the country united again, push hard on public education and extreme equality, but he also conducted the great leap and destructive political battles. it'll wait for probably another century that some historians can have some better estimation.
paradite 9y ago
Okay, that was a rather weak point, I agree. Regardless, I do think there are more differences than similarities between the current China and the then Nazi.
whooshee 9y ago
China was sided with US, and today is actually the anniversary of Nanking Massacre.

> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?

by cat199 9y ago

> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Mao wasn’t really, he was content to let the KMT fight off the Japanese while the communists would conserve their strength for the oncoming civil war; Chiangkai Shek knew this and tried to play the same game, but the Americans wouldn’t let him. Mao is actually on record for thanking Japan in one of his weird off the cuff remarks: > "(Japan) doesn't have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d'état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!"

whooshee 9y ago
It was more like irony, Mao also thanked Chiang who killed his some of his family members and he thanked America who killed his son. If you read history, Mao insisted on fighting against the Japanese invaders before Chang did. Do not forget KMT had America assistance in civil war, but they lost, because they were just too messy with economies and care too little about 90% of Chinese poor people.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  Mao insisted on the KMT fighting Japanese invaders before Chiang did for sure, but he still didn’t bother committing substantial forces to the war. Mao also didn’t care much about poor people, see how many Chinese civilians died in the Seige of Changchun. Mao was basically a sociopath even if Chiang wasn’t much better; he was basically a smarter Donald Trump of his time, who knows what he would have written on weibo if it existed at the time!
  - whooshee 9y ago
    There was a group of communist soldiers fighting against Japanese invaders in northeast China Manchuria when KMT didn't officially do anything about that. Actually Chiang attacked communist army even when they were fighting together against Japan in later years. When it comes to Seige of Changchun, why KMT didn't go out fighting and just stay and rob people's food? Why didn't they just surrender or went out start to fight? Why waited to surrender in the end but with poor people had nothing to eat. That was a shame indeed. It was a cruel civil war, I cannot say which side is strictly morally superior, given innocent people got starved . Mao was a complicated person, there are people who thank him throughout life and people who hate him till death. He has done good and bad, he got rid of land lords, get the country united again, push hard on public education and extreme equality, but he also conducted the great leap and destructive political battles. it'll wait for probably another century that some historians can have some better estimation.

paradite 9y ago

Okay, that was a rather weak point, I agree. Regardless, I do think there are more differences than similarities between the current China and the then Nazi.

whooshee 9y ago

China was sided with US, and today is actually the anniversary of Nanking Massacre.