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> All in all your comment comes off as being jealous someone built something that provides a little income. I don’t consider the comment as a display of jealou

> All in all your comment comes off as being jealous someone built something that provides a little income. I don’t consider the comment as a display of jealousy. It appears (to me) that it originates from a dislike of self-promotion. Note: I am not taking a position on the matter of self-promotion, but on the conclusion of jealousy.

Xylakant 9y ago
I count single digit mentions in 1669 days that procotor is registered on HN. That would be lousy self promotion. I believe that proctor genuinely believes he built something useful and wants to share it. The snark in jlgaddis post rubs me the wrong way.
- alsetmusic 9y ago
  > I count single digit mentions in 1669 days that procotor is registered on HN. That would be lousy self promotion. Lousy of not, it’s still self-promotion. This is true whether it occurs once or many times. > I believe that proctor genuinely believes he built something useful and wants to share it. I agree. > The snark in jlgaddis post rubs me the wrong way. Clearly. However, you aren’t defending your accusation of jealousy. Jealousy was the key word that I was addressing.
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    > Lousy of not, it’s still self-promotion. This is true whether it occurs once or many times. If a few mentions of something you built counts as self promotion, then even the description and the link to the blog that jlgaddis has on his profile page is self-promotion. It promotes a blog that he writes, possibly to further his professional career. > Clearly. However, you aren’t defending your accusation of jealousy. Jealousy was the key word that I was addressing. Ok, let me rephrase that to be more clear: It rubs me in a way that makes me personally believe that something more than "I don't like self promotion" is at play. And I believe that it's jealousy. You obviously don't, but that's personal perception I guess.
    - jlgaddis 9y ago
      It's really not "jealousy" but you're free to believe that if you'd like. Would you feel better if I removed the info in my HN profile? Note also that blog has been mostly neglected for the last ~5 years.
      - Xylakant 9y ago
        I don't mind the info in your profile nor the affiliate links on your blog. Quite to the contrary, keep them, keep adding content that's useful for others. Promote it, make money off it - everyone wins in that case. Useful content for me, money for you, I'm absolutely in favor of that. All I'd expect in that case is to be a little liberal when others do.
- dspillett 9y ago
  > That would be lousy self promotion. But still self-promotion if people want to be dogmatic about it. Some people, and some discussion forums, have an absolutely zero tolerance attitude to self-promotion. I have no issue with it if: * It isn't almost all that the account is for (caveat: personally I don't care enough in this case to have checked the account's comment history), i.e. the person contributes usefully to discussions noticably beyond what is needed for the self-promotion. * The posts are at least relevant to the discussion at hand (which it appears to be here) * The page/post/other is sufficiently honest about the affiliate links, because otherwise they could represent a conflict of interests (recommending what makes most out of affiliate relations rather than what is actually best by a good objective measure). This last part can be quite subjective, and again I've not looked at this particular case myself yet.
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    > But still self-promotion if people want to be dogmatic about it. If you want to be dogmatic about it, then no links to your bio, no mention of the good work you do, no link to a company that employs or employed you, no link to your blog, ...
    - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
      Make sure you use a different username, and keep yourself anonymous!
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    I shared a link to my blog the other day, we had a discussion on p2p internet and I recalled Opera Unite and linked a page I wrote about it some time ago. That page has affiliate links, IIRC, which you probably block with ublock/adaware, should I not have shared it?
    - dspillett 9y ago
      If it was relevant to the discussion, and you actually included some of the content in the discussion (i.e. quoted the relevant parts with a link to the fuller article for people who want to check greater detail, rather than just a link) so people didn't have to jump off-site to read your contribution, then I don't see a problem with that.

Xylakant 9y ago

I count single digit mentions in 1669 days that procotor is registered on HN. That would be lousy self promotion. I believe that proctor genuinely believes he built something useful and wants to share it. The snark in jlgaddis post rubs me the wrong way.

alsetmusic 9y ago
> I count single digit mentions in 1669 days that procotor is registered on HN. That would be lousy self promotion. Lousy of not, it’s still self-promotion. This is true whether it occurs once or many times. > I believe that proctor genuinely believes he built something useful and wants to share it. I agree. > The snark in jlgaddis post rubs me the wrong way. Clearly. However, you aren’t defending your accusation of jealousy. Jealousy was the key word that I was addressing.
- Xylakant 9y ago
  > Lousy of not, it’s still self-promotion. This is true whether it occurs once or many times. If a few mentions of something you built counts as self promotion, then even the description and the link to the blog that jlgaddis has on his profile page is self-promotion. It promotes a blog that he writes, possibly to further his professional career. > Clearly. However, you aren’t defending your accusation of jealousy. Jealousy was the key word that I was addressing. Ok, let me rephrase that to be more clear: It rubs me in a way that makes me personally believe that something more than "I don't like self promotion" is at play. And I believe that it's jealousy. You obviously don't, but that's personal perception I guess.
  - jlgaddis 9y ago
    It's really not "jealousy" but you're free to believe that if you'd like. Would you feel better if I removed the info in my HN profile? Note also that blog has been mostly neglected for the last ~5 years.
    - Xylakant 9y ago
      I don't mind the info in your profile nor the affiliate links on your blog. Quite to the contrary, keep them, keep adding content that's useful for others. Promote it, make money off it - everyone wins in that case. Useful content for me, money for you, I'm absolutely in favor of that. All I'd expect in that case is to be a little liberal when others do.
dspillett 9y ago
> That would be lousy self promotion. But still self-promotion if people want to be dogmatic about it. Some people, and some discussion forums, have an absolutely zero tolerance attitude to self-promotion. I have no issue with it if: * It isn't almost all that the account is for (caveat: personally I don't care enough in this case to have checked the account's comment history), i.e. the person contributes usefully to discussions noticably beyond what is needed for the self-promotion. * The posts are at least relevant to the discussion at hand (which it appears to be here) * The page/post/other is sufficiently honest about the affiliate links, because otherwise they could represent a conflict of interests (recommending what makes most out of affiliate relations rather than what is actually best by a good objective measure). This last part can be quite subjective, and again I've not looked at this particular case myself yet.
- Xylakant 9y ago
  > But still self-promotion if people want to be dogmatic about it. If you want to be dogmatic about it, then no links to your bio, no mention of the good work you do, no link to a company that employs or employed you, no link to your blog, ...
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    Make sure you use a different username, and keep yourself anonymous!
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  I shared a link to my blog the other day, we had a discussion on p2p internet and I recalled Opera Unite and linked a page I wrote about it some time ago. That page has affiliate links, IIRC, which you probably block with ublock/adaware, should I not have shared it?
  - dspillett 9y ago
    If it was relevant to the discussion, and you actually included some of the content in the discussion (i.e. quoted the relevant parts with a link to the fuller article for people who want to check greater detail, rather than just a link) so people didn't have to jump off-site to read your contribution, then I don't see a problem with that.