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Also, I maintain a page[0] that lists the top routers with support for openWrt and DD-wrt. http://rooftopbazaar.com/routerfirmware/ http://rooftopbazaar.com/ro

Also, I maintain a page[0] that lists the top routers with support for openWrt and DD-wrt. http://rooftopbazaar.com/routerfirmware/ http://rooftopbazaar.com/routerfirmware/

jlgaddis 9y ago
Nice referral links on your page. I see from your comment history that you've spammed HN with it several times in the past as well. --- Edit: To be clear, there's nothing inherently wrong with affiliate links. To me, though, it's the same as someone here mentioning their product or service in a comment without disclosing their affiliation. It's one thing to tell another person "The FooBar 9000 is a good router.". It's quite another to say, "The FooBar 9000 is the BEST router on the market. Oh, look, here's Joe. He sells those and you can buy one from him right now.", without mentioning you have previously worked out a deal with Joe. It's not the affiliation that's the issue. It's the lack of transparency about the affiliation. (And, in this case, for me personally, it's that the OP apparently tries to work in a link to his page anywhere he can in HN conversations.)
- faeyanpiraat 9y ago
  What’s wrong with monetizing your stuff if you provide value? (Haven’t checked out the linked page, this is more like a generic question)
  - falsedan 9y ago
    Nothing wrong with monetization, it's how you do it that's important.
- Xylakant 9y ago
  I fail to see the problem with affiliate links in that context. The site openly disclosed that they use affiliate links to amazon. The site provides a value, a ranked list of compatible devices. I might actually use it if I were shopping around for a device. Building and maintaining it probably takes some effort. It deserves to get paid. If you think that all for-profit pages should be banned from mention then this here would be a barren place, devoid of links to useful services. added after the parent modified his post: Even after you changed your comment, I fail to see a problem. The poster explicitly says "I maintain", openly disclosing his affiliation with the site. The site does not recommend a specific device as "the best", it provides a list, ranked by a disclosed set of criteria from which you can pick. You can actually change the filters and the sort order - cheapest, graded by performance, ... We can agree or disagree on the specific sort criteria picked or the completeness of the list, but the grandparent actually does sometimes engage into discussions about this, soliciting feedback (and I presume implementing it). It adds value over the device lists that LEDE and OpenWRT provide. The grandparent does mention the page every time the context makes sense, but alas, when else would he mention it? Would you prefer if the grandparent just posts the link as a reply to each and every post? He built something that adds value, so why not mention it? It's not like it's the only thing the GP ever posts. Seems more like a lurker from the comment history, but come on, the last mention was 141 days ago, it's not like it's spammy. All in all your comment comes off as being jealous someone built something that provides a little income.
  - jlgaddis 9y ago
    > The site openly disclosed that they use affiliate links to amazon. Did it? I was on an iPad and only realized they were affiliate links after I clicked on one and it took to Amazon. Immediately, I looked at the URL to see if there was a referral tag in there. I then went back and noticed "DISCLOSURE" at the very bottom, in the footer, but I don't recall seeing any mention of it before that. > If you think that all for-profit pages should be banned from mention then this here would be a barren place, devoid of links to useful services. Did I say anything even remotely close to that?
    - Xylakant 9y ago
      > Did it? It says first thing on the top that links go to amazon. There's a link at the bottom to the full discussion. What's the issue if the links to amazon are affiliate links? It's not like they're forcing you to buy or that the value you get from the site is reduced by that. They don't hype a specific device either. > Did I say anything even remotely close to that? I very much understood your complaint about "spammy, since he links to a page that he's affiliated with" to go in the direction that nobody should link to a monetized service he's somehow affiliated with, yes.
      - megaman22 9y ago
        I'm of the oppinion that all links to amazon, for example, should be affiliate links. Somebody should be getting that cut.
        EwanToo 9y ago
        Ideally I think it would be https://smile.amazon.com/ https://smile.amazon.com/ but I know it's never that simple..
        TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
        This is a great comment. It disrupts the whole argument and turns it on its head.
      - 9y ago
- jeroen 9y ago
  The previous comment mentioning the site is 141 days old, and the one before that 451 days. A bit much to call that spamming.

Also, I maintain a page[0] that lists the top routers with support for openWrt and DD-wrt. http://rooftopbazaar.com/routerfirmware/ http://rooftopbazaar.com/routerfirmware/

jlgaddis 9y ago

Nice referral links on your page. I see from your comment history that you've spammed HN with it several times in the past as well. --- Edit: To be clear, there's nothing inherently wrong with affiliate links. To me, though, it's the same as someone here mentioning their product or service in a comment without disclosing their affiliation. It's one thing to tell another person "The FooBar 9000 is a good router.". It's quite another to say, "The FooBar 9000 is the BEST router on the market. Oh, look, here's Joe. He sells those and you can buy one from him right now.", without mentioning you have previously worked out a deal with Joe. It's not the affiliation that's the issue. It's the lack of transparency about the affiliation. (And, in this case, for me personally, it's that the OP apparently tries to work in a link to his page anywhere he can in HN conversations.)

faeyanpiraat 9y ago
What’s wrong with monetizing your stuff if you provide value? (Haven’t checked out the linked page, this is more like a generic question)
- falsedan 9y ago
  Nothing wrong with monetization, it's how you do it that's important.
Xylakant 9y ago
I fail to see the problem with affiliate links in that context. The site openly disclosed that they use affiliate links to amazon. The site provides a value, a ranked list of compatible devices. I might actually use it if I were shopping around for a device. Building and maintaining it probably takes some effort. It deserves to get paid. If you think that all for-profit pages should be banned from mention then this here would be a barren place, devoid of links to useful services. added after the parent modified his post: Even after you changed your comment, I fail to see a problem. The poster explicitly says "I maintain", openly disclosing his affiliation with the site. The site does not recommend a specific device as "the best", it provides a list, ranked by a disclosed set of criteria from which you can pick. You can actually change the filters and the sort order - cheapest, graded by performance, ... We can agree or disagree on the specific sort criteria picked or the completeness of the list, but the grandparent actually does sometimes engage into discussions about this, soliciting feedback (and I presume implementing it). It adds value over the device lists that LEDE and OpenWRT provide. The grandparent does mention the page every time the context makes sense, but alas, when else would he mention it? Would you prefer if the grandparent just posts the link as a reply to each and every post? He built something that adds value, so why not mention it? It's not like it's the only thing the GP ever posts. Seems more like a lurker from the comment history, but come on, the last mention was 141 days ago, it's not like it's spammy. All in all your comment comes off as being jealous someone built something that provides a little income.
- jlgaddis 9y ago
  > The site openly disclosed that they use affiliate links to amazon. Did it? I was on an iPad and only realized they were affiliate links after I clicked on one and it took to Amazon. Immediately, I looked at the URL to see if there was a referral tag in there. I then went back and noticed "DISCLOSURE" at the very bottom, in the footer, but I don't recall seeing any mention of it before that. > If you think that all for-profit pages should be banned from mention then this here would be a barren place, devoid of links to useful services. Did I say anything even remotely close to that?
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    > Did it? It says first thing on the top that links go to amazon. There's a link at the bottom to the full discussion. What's the issue if the links to amazon are affiliate links? It's not like they're forcing you to buy or that the value you get from the site is reduced by that. They don't hype a specific device either. > Did I say anything even remotely close to that? I very much understood your complaint about "spammy, since he links to a page that he's affiliated with" to go in the direction that nobody should link to a monetized service he's somehow affiliated with, yes.
    - megaman22 9y ago
      I'm of the oppinion that all links to amazon, for example, should be affiliate links. Somebody should be getting that cut.
      - EwanToo 9y ago
        Ideally I think it would be https://smile.amazon.com/ https://smile.amazon.com/ but I know it's never that simple..
      - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
        This is a great comment. It disrupts the whole argument and turns it on its head.
    - 9y ago
jeroen 9y ago
The previous comment mentioning the site is 141 days old, and the one before that 451 days. A bit much to call that spamming.