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You do realize it's a US territory and everyone there is a US citizen, right?

megaman22 9y ago
Same thing for St. Thomas or St. John. Its not like these places are coaling stations in a Mahan Navy, so what is the value here?
- bduerst 9y ago
  What does Idaho provide? Rhode Island? What about the other states and territories that aren't the GDP powerhouses California, Texas, and New York? They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, so the economic value of their existence doesn't matter.
  - oh_sigh 9y ago
    Last I checked, access to electrical power was not a constitutional right, so I'm not sure why you are bringing that up.
    - bduerst 9y ago
      Who said access to electrical power was a constitutional right? I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.
      - oh_sigh 9y ago
        ...you did? > They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, What are you talking about other than providing electrical service to PR?
        bduerst 9y ago
        I'm talking about the 14th amendment whichs protects citizens from discrimination, including their place of origin like Puerto Rico. That's why you need to read the full sentence instead of taking out of context: >They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, so the economic value of their existence doesn't matter.
        oh_sigh 9y ago
        Okay...so back to my original question...what does getting power service have to do with constitution rights?
        FireBeyond 9y ago
        As an aside, why do you use a second account to answer your own questions or participate in your own threads? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15646876 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15646876 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=googlryas https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=googlryas In one thread you inadvertently out yourself, saying "despite having an account for more than 8 years", while posting on an account that is 18 months old, that is replying to a comment your parent account made. In others, you quote your other account as a disinterested third party: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15554173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15554173 And there's a near 1:1 correlation between articles and comment threads where you and googlryas can be found (most often, but certainly not exclusively, on the topic of Trump / Republican / conservative politics, including how both accounts regularly refer to 'T_D', aka /r/the_donald). Not particularly upfront or fair behavior?
        oh_sigh 9y ago
        Keep reading the history - I openly admit that I am the same account. I have a choice - "edit" respond, or use another account. I appreciate the e-stalk, but that is really regardless of the point. What does this have to do with constitutional rights and a modern electrical grid?
        FireBeyond 9y ago
        > I appreciate the e-stalk, but that is really regardless of the point. What does this have to do with constitutional rights and a modern electrical grid? Good question. In point of fact, the reading of your comment history (or e-stalking) was to see if there were examples of you using services most consider the government obligated to provide or support, without a specific Constitutional right explicitly naming them. > Keep reading the history - I openly admit that I am the same account. I don't think that's particularly ingenuous, though. "Keep reading my history and after several pages you may find an admission that they're both my accounts... if you're paying attention... if you even notice something odd in the first place..." when you're actively treating the two accounts as individuals 99% of the time (otherwise, why say "hey, user googlrys said something like that before", rather than "I said something like that before on my other account googlrys"?) and interacting between them in a manner that with very few exceptions doesn't say "we are one".
  - megaman22 9y ago
    Potatoes, and soldiers, fer chrissakes. Most of the US military comes from conservative and benighted places.
    - jackaroe78 9y ago
      We also have hops, Micron & burgeoning real estate speculation
  - weirdstuff 9y ago
    I don't know; living here in the rust belt has been a pretty harsh wake up call if you ask me. Economic value is primo in the U.S. (It's shocking to see first-hand entire regions in various states of collapse; furthermore becoming normalized in pop culture.)
choward 9y ago
You realize non US citizens are still people, right?
oh_sigh 9y ago
So what? Do you know how many times disdain and lack of care for 'flyover states' has gone unanswered?
- pkaye 9y ago
  How specifically have they not been answered? Can you give examples?
  - oh_sigh 9y ago
    Have you not seen disdain for flyover states(ie Trump country) in the past year? I will find some examples for you. I'd have to guess that you are avoiding any kind of politically charged discussion if you haven't noticed this. Will edit my post.
megaman22 9y ago
So are Detroit, or St Louis, or Presque Isle or Millinocket. Nobody gives a red fuck about the poor white folk who have lost their livelihoods and existence in those places. They are all US citizens too.
- astronautjones 9y ago
  that's not an argument against providing relief. you don't think southern california will be federally subsidized to rebuild after these fires? as all of our infrastructure falls apart, we're going to have to look at spending on it in the same way we did to build it in the first place.
- Klinky 9y ago
  Were those places hit by a hurricane and asked FEMA for assistance? There is definitely something to be said about economic prosperity in a lot of places, but abandoning 3.41 million US citizens after a hurricane hits doesn't seem very American.
- kasey_junk 9y ago
  http://www.elp.com/articles/2017/11/missouri-coop-utilities-to-split-120-million-in-federal-power-grid-loans.html http://www.elp.com/articles/2017/11/missouri-coop-utilities-... Part of 2.5 Billion given out by just one department (Agriculture) specifically designed to modernize electrical systems for “poor white folk” in middle America. Turns out those people are over represented in Congress who doles out such things whereas PR gets no representation...
  - gozur88 9y ago
    Residents of PR don't pay US federal income taxes, either.
    - kasey_junk 9y ago
      We don’t divvy up federal spend proportionally based on paid income taxes. If we did “poor white” rural citizens/states would be in big trouble as they currently get more money than they should from a purely proportional measure.

Same thing for St. Thomas or St. John. Its not like these places are coaling stations in a Mahan Navy, so what is the value here?

bduerst 9y ago
What does Idaho provide? Rhode Island? What about the other states and territories that aren't the GDP powerhouses California, Texas, and New York? They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, so the economic value of their existence doesn't matter.
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  Last I checked, access to electrical power was not a constitutional right, so I'm not sure why you are bringing that up.
  - bduerst 9y ago
    Who said access to electrical power was a constitutional right? I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.
    - oh_sigh 9y ago
      ...you did? > They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, What are you talking about other than providing electrical service to PR?
      - bduerst 9y ago
        I'm talking about the 14th amendment whichs protects citizens from discrimination, including their place of origin like Puerto Rico. That's why you need to read the full sentence instead of taking out of context: >They're U.S. citizens and have constitutional rights, so the economic value of their existence doesn't matter.
        oh_sigh 9y ago
        Okay...so back to my original question...what does getting power service have to do with constitution rights?
        FireBeyond 9y ago
        As an aside, why do you use a second account to answer your own questions or participate in your own threads? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15646876 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15646876 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=googlryas https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=googlryas In one thread you inadvertently out yourself, saying "despite having an account for more than 8 years", while posting on an account that is 18 months old, that is replying to a comment your parent account made. In others, you quote your other account as a disinterested third party: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15554173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15554173 And there's a near 1:1 correlation between articles and comment threads where you and googlryas can be found (most often, but certainly not exclusively, on the topic of Trump / Republican / conservative politics, including how both accounts regularly refer to 'T_D', aka /r/the_donald). Not particularly upfront or fair behavior?
        oh_sigh 9y ago
        Keep reading the history - I openly admit that I am the same account. I have a choice - "edit" respond, or use another account. I appreciate the e-stalk, but that is really regardless of the point. What does this have to do with constitutional rights and a modern electrical grid?
        FireBeyond 9y ago
        > I appreciate the e-stalk, but that is really regardless of the point. What does this have to do with constitutional rights and a modern electrical grid? Good question. In point of fact, the reading of your comment history (or e-stalking) was to see if there were examples of you using services most consider the government obligated to provide or support, without a specific Constitutional right explicitly naming them. > Keep reading the history - I openly admit that I am the same account. I don't think that's particularly ingenuous, though. "Keep reading my history and after several pages you may find an admission that they're both my accounts... if you're paying attention... if you even notice something odd in the first place..." when you're actively treating the two accounts as individuals 99% of the time (otherwise, why say "hey, user googlrys said something like that before", rather than "I said something like that before on my other account googlrys"?) and interacting between them in a manner that with very few exceptions doesn't say "we are one".
- megaman22 9y ago
  Potatoes, and soldiers, fer chrissakes. Most of the US military comes from conservative and benighted places.
  - jackaroe78 9y ago
    We also have hops, Micron & burgeoning real estate speculation
- weirdstuff 9y ago
  I don't know; living here in the rust belt has been a pretty harsh wake up call if you ask me. Economic value is primo in the U.S. (It's shocking to see first-hand entire regions in various states of collapse; furthermore becoming normalized in pop culture.)

choward 9y ago

You realize non US citizens are still people, right?

oh_sigh 9y ago

So what? Do you know how many times disdain and lack of care for 'flyover states' has gone unanswered?

pkaye 9y ago
How specifically have they not been answered? Can you give examples?
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  Have you not seen disdain for flyover states(ie Trump country) in the past year? I will find some examples for you. I'd have to guess that you are avoiding any kind of politically charged discussion if you haven't noticed this. Will edit my post.

megaman22 9y ago

So are Detroit, or St Louis, or Presque Isle or Millinocket. Nobody gives a red fuck about the poor white folk who have lost their livelihoods and existence in those places. They are all US citizens too.

astronautjones 9y ago
that's not an argument against providing relief. you don't think southern california will be federally subsidized to rebuild after these fires? as all of our infrastructure falls apart, we're going to have to look at spending on it in the same way we did to build it in the first place.
Klinky 9y ago
Were those places hit by a hurricane and asked FEMA for assistance? There is definitely something to be said about economic prosperity in a lot of places, but abandoning 3.41 million US citizens after a hurricane hits doesn't seem very American.
kasey_junk 9y ago
http://www.elp.com/articles/2017/11/missouri-coop-utilities-to-split-120-million-in-federal-power-grid-loans.html http://www.elp.com/articles/2017/11/missouri-coop-utilities-... Part of 2.5 Billion given out by just one department (Agriculture) specifically designed to modernize electrical systems for “poor white folk” in middle America. Turns out those people are over represented in Congress who doles out such things whereas PR gets no representation...
- gozur88 9y ago
  Residents of PR don't pay US federal income taxes, either.
  - kasey_junk 9y ago
    We don’t divvy up federal spend proportionally based on paid income taxes. If we did “poor white” rural citizens/states would be in big trouble as they currently get more money than they should from a purely proportional measure.