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I'm still not sure which one is better: Signal or Telegram.

borski 9y ago
Signal. Peer reviewed and open source crypto on both client and server.
samat 9y ago
Depends on yours needs. If you need top level security - you use Signal. If speed and stability and features are of more importance - use telegram.
omnimus 9y ago
Signal. Telegram is a business run by a millionare who is having fun. Signal is run by well known security expert / activist and his very transparent company Open Whisper systems. The way Signal tackles the problems is smart gradual development and they are the closest to making the holy grail - e2e encryption without users even noticing it. There are no "secure" and "not secure" messages in signal - it is all encrypted and you can't turn it off. That's awesome.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  You're making the mistake of assuming "better" is a single vector. Signal is more secure, yes. However its UI, UX, accessibility, feature sets and performance are absolutely in baby shoes.
Veratyr 9y ago
Neither. Both require tying your identity to a phone number. You're better off with Matrix/Riot or XMPP. Neither requires a phone number, both offer the ability to communicate securely, even with a compromised server. Both also support multiple devices, group chats and federation.
- b3lvedere 9y ago
  According to Signal's FAQ: Signal periodically sends truncated cryptographically hashed phone numbers for contact discovery. Names are never transmitted, and the information is not stored on the servers. The server responds with the contacts that are Signal users and then immediately discards this information. Your phone now knows which of your contacts is a Signal user and notifies you if your contact just started using Signal. However; I don't know if their server is peer-reviewed on a regulary basis, nor do i know if the software (besides the used ciphers) is also peer-reviewed. Can't find anything on it.
herogreen 9y ago
If you want to use one on your Android phone without Google apps, then only Telegram will work. I use Tox with my geek friends and Telegram with my less geek friends. I also plan to give a try to ring.cx
- zeratax 9y ago
  This is just wrong, pls stop spreading misinformation. The gcm dependency was removed 10 months ago: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commit/1669731329bcc32c84e33035a67a2fc22444c24b https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commit/1669... You can get the apk outside of gplay on their website: https://signal.org/android/apk/ https://signal.org/android/apk/

Signal. Peer reviewed and open source crypto on both client and server.

Depends on yours needs. If you need top level security - you use Signal. If speed and stability and features are of more importance - use telegram.

omnimus 9y ago

Signal. Telegram is a business run by a millionare who is having fun. Signal is run by well known security expert / activist and his very transparent company Open Whisper systems. The way Signal tackles the problems is smart gradual development and they are the closest to making the holy grail - e2e encryption without users even noticing it. There are no "secure" and "not secure" messages in signal - it is all encrypted and you can't turn it off. That's awesome.

Mithaldu 9y ago
You're making the mistake of assuming "better" is a single vector. Signal is more secure, yes. However its UI, UX, accessibility, feature sets and performance are absolutely in baby shoes.

Veratyr 9y ago

Neither. Both require tying your identity to a phone number. You're better off with Matrix/Riot or XMPP. Neither requires a phone number, both offer the ability to communicate securely, even with a compromised server. Both also support multiple devices, group chats and federation.

b3lvedere 9y ago
According to Signal's FAQ: Signal periodically sends truncated cryptographically hashed phone numbers for contact discovery. Names are never transmitted, and the information is not stored on the servers. The server responds with the contacts that are Signal users and then immediately discards this information. Your phone now knows which of your contacts is a Signal user and notifies you if your contact just started using Signal. However; I don't know if their server is peer-reviewed on a regulary basis, nor do i know if the software (besides the used ciphers) is also peer-reviewed. Can't find anything on it.

herogreen 9y ago

If you want to use one on your Android phone without Google apps, then only Telegram will work. I use Tox with my geek friends and Telegram with my less geek friends. I also plan to give a try to ring.cx

zeratax 9y ago
This is just wrong, pls stop spreading misinformation. The gcm dependency was removed 10 months ago: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commit/1669731329bcc32c84e33035a67a2fc22444c24b https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commit/1669... You can get the apk outside of gplay on their website: https://signal.org/android/apk/ https://signal.org/android/apk/