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Was there an alternative that would have meant less crony capitalism in government?

by dexterdog 9y ago

jandrese 9y ago
Yes, but he didn't make it out of the primaries.
- matwood 9y ago
  > Yes, but he didn't make it out of the primaries. Because of crony politics.
- PostOnce 9y ago
  It wasn't merely bad luck, nor was it the will of the people. Rather than the DNC machine working to find which candidate the Democratic party voters at large preferred, they actively worked against Sanders; it was a machine to elect Clinton, not a machine to enact the will of the Democrats (the people, not the party's inner circle). I doubt they learned anything at all from their failure to get Clinton elected, though. I don't know that Sanders could have won the general election, but arguably the DNC's sabotage of the Sanders campaign and their subsequent failure to win the general election (with probably Russian interference) has and will continue to cost us dearly, now that we have lost much good faith in our international relations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/ http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wass...
vkou 9y ago
Unless you think that Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, or Bernie Sanders would have brought us the exact same amount of crony capitalism, it's possible. The controversy of executive appointments across 2017 was... Somewhat unprecedented.
- CalChris 9y ago
  You have to include the Republican Senate since many of these appointments require Senate confirmation. And even then a few were below even that incredibly low bar.
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- dexterdog 9y ago
  It's certainly possible it would have brought us more as they are all standard insiders. The ACA is one of the most crony capitalist laws that has ever been created in this country. Both sides are heinously guilty of putting monied interests over their jobs and the people refuse to make them pay for it.
dragonwriter 9y ago
Yes. Pretty much any of the other candidates from either major party, as well as the minor candidates that got national media attention (any of Stein, Johnson, or McMullin) Now, if the standard were “no” instead of “less”, the answer would be very different.

Was there an alternative that would have meant less crony capitalism in government?

jandrese 9y ago

Yes, but he didn't make it out of the primaries.

matwood 9y ago
> Yes, but he didn't make it out of the primaries. Because of crony politics.
PostOnce 9y ago
It wasn't merely bad luck, nor was it the will of the people. Rather than the DNC machine working to find which candidate the Democratic party voters at large preferred, they actively worked against Sanders; it was a machine to elect Clinton, not a machine to enact the will of the Democrats (the people, not the party's inner circle). I doubt they learned anything at all from their failure to get Clinton elected, though. I don't know that Sanders could have won the general election, but arguably the DNC's sabotage of the Sanders campaign and their subsequent failure to win the general election (with probably Russian interference) has and will continue to cost us dearly, now that we have lost much good faith in our international relations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/ http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wass...

vkou 9y ago

Unless you think that Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, or Bernie Sanders would have brought us the exact same amount of crony capitalism, it's possible. The controversy of executive appointments across 2017 was... Somewhat unprecedented.

CalChris 9y ago
You have to include the Republican Senate since many of these appointments require Senate confirmation. And even then a few were below even that incredibly low bar.
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dexterdog 9y ago
It's certainly possible it would have brought us more as they are all standard insiders. The ACA is one of the most crony capitalist laws that has ever been created in this country. Both sides are heinously guilty of putting monied interests over their jobs and the people refuse to make them pay for it.

dragonwriter 9y ago

Yes. Pretty much any of the other candidates from either major party, as well as the minor candidates that got national media attention (any of Stein, Johnson, or McMullin) Now, if the standard were “no” instead of “less”, the answer would be very different.