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Show HN: AssassinationFiles.net – JFK Declassified Document Search
- nvr219 9y agoI feel like if these files revealed anything groundbreaking it'd be all over the news by now.
- mathgeek 9y agoNot sure why you're getting downvoted, as this is a legitimate point.
- foota 9y agoStill might be interesting to history buffs
- marnett 9y agolike the paradise papers?
- nnash 9y agoYou don't even have to go back that far, there still aren't any answers for Mandalay Bay. The media has a short attention span.
- cabaalis 9y agoI had searched for "Luther" because I had heard there was information about Martin Luther King in this release. I found this paper in which a Panamanian sailor swears his belief that an Alabama-based motor company was going to attempt to hire him to assassinate MLK. He did not go forward to Alabama to find out any details about the job because they wouldn't pay his requested $75 travel fees. Probably just a kook. But you can't make this stuff up. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10173-10166.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-101...
- Retra 9y agoYou can make this stuff up. People have been doing it for a long time, some even professionally.
- jasonkostempski 9y agoI feel like if these files revealed anything groundbreaking they wouldn't have existed. If there was anything that needed to be covered up, it wouldn't have been done on the books, classified or not.
- peacethroughx 9y agoThen why has the CIA fought so hard to redact these documents, including in 2017 almost telling the president he can't release these docs despite wanting to. Fact: the docs are being held illegally due to the CIA's pressure (threats?) on the President. The law said 25 years and all the docs have not been released. Many are still redacted. It's downright scary that the current CIA is still defending its past crimes. Soon it will be an accepted fact that the CIA committed a coup in America, and everyone will act like they knew it all along and it's boring. People are sheep and the CIA is the shepherd.
- saagarjha 9y agoA coup to do…what? What was the motive behind it? What evidence is there to back this up?
- peacethroughx 9y agoThe movie JFK is basically a documentary (with many wrong details) and is the reason for the law that lead to these files being released. You know how people say it would be impossible to cover up something so big? It would have to leak? Well, it did. The CIA/Mafia/Cuban assassination connection is firmly established fact now. Among many other important facts use to be "conspiracy theories." Motivations tl;dr https://i.imgur.com/WEjm2ig.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WEjm2ig.jpg
- Tade0 9y ago> and befriending our enemies( Russia, Yugoslavia, Poland ) Odd choice of countries.
- lallysingh 9y agoI think you overestimate two factors: (1) government competence in censoring data; (2) everyone else's desire/willingness/capability in going through this stuff in depth.
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- bpchaps 9y agoReally great work! Two questions: What sort OCR stack did you use? Is there a way to see the text inside the search results? I'm only seeing the PDFs themselves and would love to do some full text searches of my own!
- jiscariot 9y agoThanks much for the feedback! Imagemagick -> tesseract -> solr/lucene I am a neophyte when it comes to this stuff, so I'm sure someone with more experience could get better results from tweaking IM/tess. Some of the IM convert stuff was extremely memory intensive on larger documents and AWS was starting to get really expensive. Later on I added PDFbox to split the PDFs pre IM and run a page at a time vs. the entire document. SOLR has a highlighting feature that I never really got working right. That would have showed some context to the search terms in the results.
- nicklovescode 9y agoIs it possible to download these? Would love to play with some Dynamic Topic Modeling stuff using them to see changes over time!
- peacethroughx 9y agoYes, please open source this data! Making it easily searched is a great public service but technical people can do even more with the text data.
- jiscariot 9y agoThe 11/03 release is still finishing up OCR'ing, so perhaps once that is loaded, I can post to github. That should be over the next couple of days. Thanks everyone for the feedback as well--I don't have a big interest in JFK or anything, but needed a good project.
- geofft 9y agoI searched for a random keyword and found this file: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10173-10133.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-101... 1 July 1947 Enclosed herewith are translations from the official gestapo files of a list of persons connected with the work of the Third International in China. These files are in possession of Turin, NY and he is combing through them extracting this type of information which will be forwarded to you as it is obtained. I guess it's not super surprising that US intelligence was interested in the results of Gestapo intelligence on communists in other countries, but it does make me incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable. Some of the Gestapo notes identify various people as "US citizen, Jew," "German citizen, Jewess," etc. (On the technical side - is the OCR'd text available, or only searchable?)
- cup 9y agoThe US has a long history of employing former Nazi and fascist officials post WW2.
- mirimir 9y agoThere were projects to capture/recruit scientists, intelligence agents and propaganda experts.
- ams6110 9y agoThe Nazis before and during WWII were fastidious about documentating the backgrounds, political affiliations, and connections of pretty much everyone they could, but especially their perceived foes. They were assisted in this by tabulating equipment provided by IBM. So they probably had more complete records of this sort of thing than anyone else at the time.
- jacquesm 9y agoReplace a few words and you have the present day situation.
- geofft 9y agoSure, but don't we think they'll be ... colored by Nazi ideology? Was the US really happy to think that anyone who the Nazis think is a communist and a threat to the Reich is someone that they should also consider a communist and a threat to the republic? Barely two years after sending half a million soldiers to die because this country was too evil that we needed to pay any cost to defeat them? After discovering the Holocaust, which we didn't know about when we made that decision and only learned about as we found the piles of dead bodies? We're not only interested in their intelligence, we trust the Gestapo's judgment? I mean, I guess at some level I always knew the answer was yes, but this is pretty blatant.
- smudgymcscmudge 9y agoThanks for this. I was able to find a relative who I suspected would have been an associate of Jack Ruby. I wanted to search for him before, but without OCR, it would have been a needle in a haystack. While it wasn't anything significant to others, it was a neat bit of family history for me. In case anybody was interested, my relative wasn't investigated because of a link to Jack Ruby after all, but he was mentioned by other informants.
- jiscariot 9y agoThat is awesome - thanks much for sharing!
- forapurpose 9y agoThanks for making these publicly accessible; that's great work. A couple of thoughts: 1. Change the name. Assassination Files is sensationalistic, which always feels manipulative to me and raises my doubts about the author's intentions. These days, with so much trolling and propaganda, I assume that anyone who adopts sensationalistic practices doesn't understand and/or respect the issues of integrity on the Internet and is not to be taken too seriously. 2. I'm not sure many others feel this way, but I need a reason to believe the website contains a correct, complete, and fully searchable record of the released documents. I don't know if the author has an axe to grind, and perhaps omits or fails to properly OCR or index certain documents, or if there are errors due to the unknown error rate - and not knowing the site's producer, I have no idea if that error rate is high or low. If someone with expertise, such as a professor in that field, could vouch for it, that would help - but perhaps that's outside the scope. Thank you!
- cat199 9y ago> Assassination Files is sensationalistic when talking about actual files pertaining to an actual assassination (noone debates asssasination I dont think here)? what should they be called instead? 'the recently released information possibly tangentially related to the events leading to the transition of the 35th and 36th us presidency'?
- soared 9y agoOr they want people to go to their site. Not everything sensationalist is automatically bad.
- jiscariot 9y agoThanks for the feedback. To be honest, I just thought it would be a fun project. Perhaps I should indicate that somewhere in the about page to make it more clear. Someone else had recommended making the index files public, which might help with some of your concerns. I went back and forth about the title, but my girlfriend gave the OK, so I went with it. :)
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- asdfj921sa 9y agoEasy Xss to spread fake news: https://assassinationfiles.net/script/search.php?searchterms=CIA%3C/span%3E%3Cbr%3ECIA%20KILLED%20JFK%3Cbr%3ETotal%20Results:%201%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E https://assassinationfiles.net/script/search.php?searchterms...
- barsonme 9y agoPerhaps you could've chosen something more safe for work?
- asdfj921sa 9y agowhoops wrong xss, fixed it to something more sfw
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- netule 9y agoSmall misspelling: "Relavance" as a column header, which should be "Relevance." Otherwise, wonderful job.
- jiscariot 9y agoThanks very much netule! I updated it.
- snowpanda 9y agoIf you search for NSA you can get some articles on how the agency operated before the internet madness. Very interesting to say the least. https://assassinationfiles.net/script/search.php?searchterms=nsa https://assassinationfiles.net/script/search.php?searchterms...
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- abalone 9y agoBest thing anyone interested in this to read is Rethinking Camelot by Noam Chomsky. Full text is online.[1] Without giving too much away, it's not about the assassination. It's about JFK's actual record, which calls into question the whole enterprise of liberal hero-worship and destroys the basis upon which most CIA conspiracy theories are premised. There is no motive for the CIA to assassinate JFK. Vietnam was his war, he was a fanatical supporter of terrorism, and brought us closer to nuclear war than any other president. [1] https://zcomm.org/wp-content/uploads/zbooks/htdocs/chomsky/rc/rc-contents.html https://zcomm.org/wp-content/uploads/zbooks/htdocs/chomsky/r...
- sova 9y agoHello Abalone have you seen The Smoking Gun, the film based on Mortal Error (book)?
- srge 9y agoEach time the JFK assassination comes up, reading the comments gives me the feeling that HN is pro lone gunman theory. That strikes me as odd given the amount of circumstancial evidences pointing in the conspiracy direction. Also the lone gunman who kills single handily the president of the most powerful nation in the world: - would not admit it (why not if he is a crazy guy killing for political reasons?) - and is killed right after by a mafia linked guy This guy is executed right after being questioned by the police and denying any role in the assassination and pretending he’s a patsy. And it’s not a conspiracy?
- olavk 9y agoThere is a lot of weird circumstances, but given the available evidence I still think the lone gunman theory is the most plausible. You say "the lone gunman who kills single handily the president of the most powerful nation in the world" - it is like an act of such magnitude must have a bigger and deeper explanation than just a half-crazy guy with a gun and unclear motives. But if you have a clear line of sight it is not harder to kill the president of the most powerful nation in the nation of the world, than it is to kill any other random person on the street. And you don't really need a better motive to it either. And it is not weird to deny a crime when apprehended. Certainly the Ruby assassination was weird and unfortunate, but how does it actually point to a conspiracy? It seems rather random.
- GeorgeTirebiter 9y agoHi, there is simply no way Oswald killed JFK. And the Ruby assassination of LHO was not random at all. The fiction made up by George HW Bush and co (CIA) was necessary to cover-up the extent of the coup that had just taken place. There is so much credible evidence. You must also ask yourself: why, after all these years, is a substantial quantity of government info still secret? So secret that 'swamp drainer' Trump won't declassify it? Have you read Carl Oglesby's book "The Yankee and Cowboy War"? Incredible page-turner! https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar https://archive.org/details/OglesbyCarlTheYankeeAndCowboyWar . And finally I don't vouch for everything in the following film, only that he encourages you to look up the facts for yourself. https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM p.s. I was in grade school when the USA had its coup, and I remember very clearly how it was presented to the public back then.
- koyote 9y agoVery interesting! Some random searches brought me to this: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10182-10059a.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-101... It seems to be a summary on a special agent operating in the 60s and gives some interesting glimpses into his life/tasks.