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you really really need to be attacking your organic search rankings to get yourself some traffic -> sales. Contact me privately through my blog in my profile, I

you really really need to be attacking your organic search rankings to get yourself some traffic -> sales. Contact me privately through my blog in my profile, I run something that can help you.

NathanKP 16y ago
I run something that can help you A spam bot? A link exchange network? Just curious... most of the techniques for "attacking the organic search rankings" are frowned upon by Google.
- ddemchuk 16y ago
  1) The very nature of Google's algorithm encourages using techniques that will increase your rankings, or else you will drown in a mess of competitors in most niches. Also, just because it's frowned upon by Google doesn't necessarily make it bad. They're in the business to make money just as much as the rest of us are 2) Not spam, not a link exchange network. Contact me and we can discuss it if you'd like.
- pbhjpbhj 16y ago
  > most of the techniques for "attacking the organic search rankings" are frowned upon by Google I'd be pretty sure he means whitehat SEO, on-page optimisations, link-building (eg linkbait, social networks) .. not frowned on by Google. Edit: or maybe not!
  - ddemchuk 16y ago
    ha, very few things can be considered "whitehat" seo, everything is a shade of gray
    - kls 16y ago
      I don't know about that, Google has a defined set of rules, if you build your site to take advantage of that defined set of rules then good for you. It is no different than apples UI guidelines. When you start to device the system to get ranking that you do not deserve then it becomes a grey area but just optimizing your site and taking advantage of available resources to promote your site is indeed squarely in the realm of white-hat. Going back to the UI analogy, it is one thing to provide an optimized UI that has been A/B tested to sell anti-virus software. It is another thing entirely to provide a UI pop-up that says your computer is infected when it is not in the hopes of scarring someone into buying anti-virus software. Optimizing to sell is white-hat. Deceiving to sell is not.
      - ddemchuk 16y ago
        But when you own a website that does "deserve" to rank and Google's algorithm allows for spammers to get to the top, then you have no recourse but to fight fire with fire. If I had a great site about my acai berry product, but stuck only to white hat seo techniques, I would literally never rank for that keyword. I would never get that traffic, never get the exposure, because there are people out there who are taking advantage of the holes in Google's algo while I am "sticking to the rules". You have to remember that Google publishes rules for 2 reasons: 1) so that you don't participate in shady tactics that polute the internet (for the greater good) and 2) because their job is to clean up search results so the less "spam" that is produced, the easier their job is. EDIT: left out a key word

you really really need to be attacking your organic search rankings to get yourself some traffic -> sales. Contact me privately through my blog in my profile, I run something that can help you.

NathanKP 16y ago

I run something that can help you A spam bot? A link exchange network? Just curious... most of the techniques for "attacking the organic search rankings" are frowned upon by Google.

ddemchuk 16y ago
1) The very nature of Google's algorithm encourages using techniques that will increase your rankings, or else you will drown in a mess of competitors in most niches. Also, just because it's frowned upon by Google doesn't necessarily make it bad. They're in the business to make money just as much as the rest of us are 2) Not spam, not a link exchange network. Contact me and we can discuss it if you'd like.
pbhjpbhj 16y ago
> most of the techniques for "attacking the organic search rankings" are frowned upon by Google I'd be pretty sure he means whitehat SEO, on-page optimisations, link-building (eg linkbait, social networks) .. not frowned on by Google. Edit: or maybe not!
- ddemchuk 16y ago
  ha, very few things can be considered "whitehat" seo, everything is a shade of gray
  - kls 16y ago
    I don't know about that, Google has a defined set of rules, if you build your site to take advantage of that defined set of rules then good for you. It is no different than apples UI guidelines. When you start to device the system to get ranking that you do not deserve then it becomes a grey area but just optimizing your site and taking advantage of available resources to promote your site is indeed squarely in the realm of white-hat. Going back to the UI analogy, it is one thing to provide an optimized UI that has been A/B tested to sell anti-virus software. It is another thing entirely to provide a UI pop-up that says your computer is infected when it is not in the hopes of scarring someone into buying anti-virus software. Optimizing to sell is white-hat. Deceiving to sell is not.
    - ddemchuk 16y ago
      But when you own a website that does "deserve" to rank and Google's algorithm allows for spammers to get to the top, then you have no recourse but to fight fire with fire. If I had a great site about my acai berry product, but stuck only to white hat seo techniques, I would literally never rank for that keyword. I would never get that traffic, never get the exposure, because there are people out there who are taking advantage of the holes in Google's algo while I am "sticking to the rules". You have to remember that Google publishes rules for 2 reasons: 1) so that you don't participate in shady tactics that polute the internet (for the greater good) and 2) because their job is to clean up search results so the less "spam" that is produced, the easier their job is. EDIT: left out a key word