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(1) All batteries degrade. This should be accounted for in the initial design, so that there is sufficient battery life at the end of product life, not just at

(1) All batteries degrade. This should be accounted for in the initial design, so that there is sufficient battery life at the end of product life, not just at the beginning. (2) Replacing the battery should be simple. Pop open the back cover, pull out the battery, and push the new one in. Heck, I used to carry a spare battery just in case, because it took 15 seconds to swap. Taking it to a phone shop and waiting an hour isn't what I would call simple.

drcross 9y ago
>This should be accounted for in the initial design, so that there is sufficient battery life at the end of product life, not just at the beginning. If this was the case, the title of this post would be "iPhones don't use all available battery power" instead of what it is. You can't please all the people all the time.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  People would be so upset that they didn't have to charge their phone so often and that the completely sealed in battery lasted longer before making their phone appear to become obsolete?
  - sokoloff 9y ago
    They might be upset when their phone was 3/4 inch / 2 cm thick and weighed 3/4 of a pound / 1/3 kg.
- MereInterest 9y ago
  I'm really not sure how that follows at all. If the battery life of a new device is 3 days, and the battery life of a 2-year-old device is 1 day, at no point is there battery power that is unused.
Bud 9y ago
1) It is accounted for. Just not in the way you'd like, with your priorities. 2) No. It should not be simple, and there should not be a crappy "back cover" which "pops" open. If you do that, you've made a fragile piece of crap with no water resistance and much less durability and you've wasted a lot of space. Space which is in very short supply.
- lwansbrough 9y ago
  > crappy "back cover" Who said anything about crappy? High quality is achievable. > If you do that, you've made a fragile piece of crap with no water resistance As opposed to a fragile piece of crap with (some) water resistance? I'm not an expert on water resistance but I'm guessing something can be both resealable and water resistant. > much less durability Providing a back cover that would pop off if you drop the phone probably improves durability, due to the ability for energy to escape. > Space which is in very short supply. Why is it in short supply, other than because Apple tells you that you need a thinner phone?
  - gaius 9y ago
    Who said anything about crappy? High quality is achievable. Indeed, in their heydey Blackberry had a leather-covered removable back cover. It was a premium product designed to be familiar to fancy people who wore hand-made suits and shoes. Indeed it was far more "quality" than the blingiest gold iPhone, which is just tacky.
  - achompas 9y ago
    > I'm not an expert on water resistance but I'm guessing something can be both resealable and water resistant. I’m not either, but you’d have to figure out an extremely special way to create a water-resistant phone with battery contacts that would not corrode on contact with water.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      My Nexus 7 has a pop out cover, yet when it fell in a stream of running water, it never even shut down. Opening it revealed only two small drops of water. Plus, battery contacts don't corrode from a short exposition to water (otherwise, so would the headphone plug).
      - summm 9y ago
        Battery contacts and headphone contacts are usually gold plated, so corrosion is not really an issue.
baldfat 9y ago
My LG V20 has a replaceable battery, and a head phone jack. It has the best sounding headphone jack ever available on a phone. It's a great phone and didn't sell well. The market is clear replaceable batteries and head phone jack just are not at the top of their wish list.
- mschuster91 9y ago
  > The market is clear replaceable batteries and head phone jack just are not at the top of their wish list. No, the problem is that Apple can do whatever the fuck they want and people still will literally rip the entire stock out of Apple Stores. The newest Macbook Pros still have 16GB RAM tops and not a single miniDP or USB connector, thus leaving people with a pile of useless junk when they upgrade (or have to replace, e.g. due to dead mobo) their older Macbooks. Not to mention the ultra ... "keyboard". People still keep buying them by the masses.
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  - coldtea 9y ago
    >No, the problem is that Apple can do whatever the fuck they want and people still will literally rip the entire stock out of Apple Stores. Ie. "the world is idiots and I know better" as opposed "people have different priorities". >The newest Macbook Pros still have 16GB RAM tops And for a very good reason. Low-powered (suitable for laptop use) support for 32GB memory wasn't there in Intel chipsets. But not only you didn't bother to investigate, but you know better. >and not a single miniDP or USB connector, thus leaving people with a pile of useless junk when they upgrade Or, you know, they can buy a couple of $10 USB-C cables or a $50 hub and be done with it. I prefer the move towards USB-C only faster, than them releasing yet another laptop with 5 different types of ports that will drag on the migration.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      > with 5 different types of ports No, instead you have two, with differing capabilities but the same form factor. And you have way more than 5 different cable types, each capable of different things, again, with the same form factor. I'm not yet convinced this is an improvement.

drcross 9y ago

>This should be accounted for in the initial design, so that there is sufficient battery life at the end of product life, not just at the beginning. If this was the case, the title of this post would be "iPhones don't use all available battery power" instead of what it is. You can't please all the people all the time.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
People would be so upset that they didn't have to charge their phone so often and that the completely sealed in battery lasted longer before making their phone appear to become obsolete?
- sokoloff 9y ago
  They might be upset when their phone was 3/4 inch / 2 cm thick and weighed 3/4 of a pound / 1/3 kg.
MereInterest 9y ago
I'm really not sure how that follows at all. If the battery life of a new device is 3 days, and the battery life of a 2-year-old device is 1 day, at no point is there battery power that is unused.

Bud 9y ago

1) It is accounted for. Just not in the way you'd like, with your priorities. 2) No. It should not be simple, and there should not be a crappy "back cover" which "pops" open. If you do that, you've made a fragile piece of crap with no water resistance and much less durability and you've wasted a lot of space. Space which is in very short supply.

lwansbrough 9y ago
> crappy "back cover" Who said anything about crappy? High quality is achievable. > If you do that, you've made a fragile piece of crap with no water resistance As opposed to a fragile piece of crap with (some) water resistance? I'm not an expert on water resistance but I'm guessing something can be both resealable and water resistant. > much less durability Providing a back cover that would pop off if you drop the phone probably improves durability, due to the ability for energy to escape. > Space which is in very short supply. Why is it in short supply, other than because Apple tells you that you need a thinner phone?
- gaius 9y ago
  Who said anything about crappy? High quality is achievable. Indeed, in their heydey Blackberry had a leather-covered removable back cover. It was a premium product designed to be familiar to fancy people who wore hand-made suits and shoes. Indeed it was far more "quality" than the blingiest gold iPhone, which is just tacky.
- achompas 9y ago
  > I'm not an expert on water resistance but I'm guessing something can be both resealable and water resistant. I’m not either, but you’d have to figure out an extremely special way to create a water-resistant phone with battery contacts that would not corrode on contact with water.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    My Nexus 7 has a pop out cover, yet when it fell in a stream of running water, it never even shut down. Opening it revealed only two small drops of water. Plus, battery contacts don't corrode from a short exposition to water (otherwise, so would the headphone plug).
    - summm 9y ago
      Battery contacts and headphone contacts are usually gold plated, so corrosion is not really an issue.

baldfat 9y ago

My LG V20 has a replaceable battery, and a head phone jack. It has the best sounding headphone jack ever available on a phone. It's a great phone and didn't sell well. The market is clear replaceable batteries and head phone jack just are not at the top of their wish list.

mschuster91 9y ago
> The market is clear replaceable batteries and head phone jack just are not at the top of their wish list. No, the problem is that Apple can do whatever the fuck they want and people still will literally rip the entire stock out of Apple Stores. The newest Macbook Pros still have 16GB RAM tops and not a single miniDP or USB connector, thus leaving people with a pile of useless junk when they upgrade (or have to replace, e.g. due to dead mobo) their older Macbooks. Not to mention the ultra ... "keyboard". People still keep buying them by the masses.
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- coldtea 9y ago
  >No, the problem is that Apple can do whatever the fuck they want and people still will literally rip the entire stock out of Apple Stores. Ie. "the world is idiots and I know better" as opposed "people have different priorities". >The newest Macbook Pros still have 16GB RAM tops And for a very good reason. Low-powered (suitable for laptop use) support for 32GB memory wasn't there in Intel chipsets. But not only you didn't bother to investigate, but you know better. >and not a single miniDP or USB connector, thus leaving people with a pile of useless junk when they upgrade Or, you know, they can buy a couple of $10 USB-C cables or a $50 hub and be done with it. I prefer the move towards USB-C only faster, than them releasing yet another laptop with 5 different types of ports that will drag on the migration.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    > with 5 different types of ports No, instead you have two, with differing capabilities but the same form factor. And you have way more than 5 different cable types, each capable of different things, again, with the same form factor. I'm not yet convinced this is an improvement.