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they were never good at each other. To have the best of two worlds is to have one Chromecast and one Fire TV. At least I don't need an Apple TV nowadays because

they were never good at each other. To have the best of two worlds is to have one Chromecast and one Fire TV. At least I don't need an Apple TV nowadays because Chromecast is good enough for local streaming and some occasional mirroring from Mac (although not the same quality as Apple TV).

nwah1 9y ago
Or just use a device and content delivery platform that isn't developed by a content producer... like Roku, Kodi, etc.
- WorldMaker 9y ago
  What's to say Google doesn't pull YouTube API access from Roku or Kodi next? This salvo at Amazon isn't their first, and may not be their last.
  - nwah1 9y ago
    Best way to prevent this kind of content hoarding is to support neutral platforms.
    - WorldMaker 9y ago
      How does that actually prevent anything? Using Roku/Kodi to consume YouTube doesn't stop YouTube from content hoarding, and YouTube from having all the power in the relationship. You using a Roku doesn't have any bearing if a content creator is releasing to YouTube. Yes, it would be great if there was a more neutral video sharing platform than YouTube, but it's not "you the consumer" that gets the power to choose that. Not to mention that today's neutral consumer platform is tomorrow's acquisition target. You can scamper from platform to platform, of course, but again, you don't really have much in the way of power in those relationships either.
      - nwah1 9y ago
        It helps by lowering the cost of acquiring new sources of content. The suggestion of buying both a fire stick and a chromecast is expensive and cumbersome. Downloading an app on Kodi or Roku is free and easy. And Kodi, in particular, being open source isn't an acquisition target. The point is to prevent being locked in, and shut out of good content from independent sources.
- therealmarv 9y ago
  Roku is a local US thing (cannot get that in Europe) and Kodi is not a match for Chromecast and/or Fire TV and I never want to think or spend too much of installing the right stuff on my "TV box".
tw04 9y ago
It's called Nvidia Shield - Chromecast with access to Amazon.
- cgore 9y ago
  I've got one of those, it's a piece of crap. I mostly use my Apple TV.
  - tw04 9y ago
    In what way is it a piece of crap? I've got two and they've been flawless.
    - cgore 9y ago
      Mostly software issues, locking up and rebooting, stuff like that.
mcny 9y ago
> they were never good at each other. To have the best of two worlds is to have one Chromecast and one Fire TV. At least I don't need an Apple TV nowadays because Chromecast is good enough for local streaming and some occasional mirroring from Mac (although not the same quality as Apple TV). https://youtu.be/9pmPa_KxsAM?t=10402 https://youtu.be/9pmPa_KxsAM?t=10402 My guess is this goes all way to the top, to Larry: > It started when a guy from Mozilla asked a question about the future of the Web and mobile platforms. Page dove right in. “I’ve personally been quite sad at the industry’s behavior around all these things," he said. "If you take something as simple as IM, we’ve had an open offer to interoperate forever. Just this week Microsoft took advantage of that by interoperating with us. You can’t have people milking off of just one company.” > He was referring to Microsoft’s announcement that it would incorporate Google Talk into Outlook.com, even though it doesn’t allow Google to incorporate Outlook functions into Gmail. But as AllThingsD’s Mike Isaac noted, he left out the part where Google recently sent Microsoft a cease-and-desist letter demanding that it remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phones. > Page wasn’t finished. “You can’t focus on negativity and zero-sum games,” he said. “I don’t know how to deal with all of those things, and I’m sad that the Web isn’t advancing as fast as it should be. We struggle with people like Microsoft.” A question about Oracle and Java got him going again. “We’ve had a difficult relationship with Oracle, including having to appear in court,” Page said. “Money is obviously more important to them than any collaboration.” > It turns out this is also the media’s fault. “Every story I read about Google is us vs. some other company, or some stupid thing. I just don’t find that very interesting. We should be building great things that don’t exist. Being negative isn’t how we make progress.” > To recap, Page criticized Microsoft for treating Google as a rival, blasted Oracle for caring too much about money, and then whined about everyone being so negative. Heck, if it weren’t for those other companies standing in the way, Google would have probably already solved world hunger. Well, except for all the laws and bureaucrats and journalists who are also standing in the way. https://archive.fo/OuL1T https://archive.fo/OuL1T I love the work that people at Amazon.com are doing. However, as we push upwards of 60% of US households on Amazon prime, I think we have reasons to be worried. like acchow said: > Amazon fired the first shots tho. This is their fault and they should put Google products back up on their store.

nwah1 9y ago

Or just use a device and content delivery platform that isn't developed by a content producer... like Roku, Kodi, etc.

WorldMaker 9y ago
What's to say Google doesn't pull YouTube API access from Roku or Kodi next? This salvo at Amazon isn't their first, and may not be their last.
- nwah1 9y ago
  Best way to prevent this kind of content hoarding is to support neutral platforms.
  - WorldMaker 9y ago
    How does that actually prevent anything? Using Roku/Kodi to consume YouTube doesn't stop YouTube from content hoarding, and YouTube from having all the power in the relationship. You using a Roku doesn't have any bearing if a content creator is releasing to YouTube. Yes, it would be great if there was a more neutral video sharing platform than YouTube, but it's not "you the consumer" that gets the power to choose that. Not to mention that today's neutral consumer platform is tomorrow's acquisition target. You can scamper from platform to platform, of course, but again, you don't really have much in the way of power in those relationships either.
    - nwah1 9y ago
      It helps by lowering the cost of acquiring new sources of content. The suggestion of buying both a fire stick and a chromecast is expensive and cumbersome. Downloading an app on Kodi or Roku is free and easy. And Kodi, in particular, being open source isn't an acquisition target. The point is to prevent being locked in, and shut out of good content from independent sources.
therealmarv 9y ago
Roku is a local US thing (cannot get that in Europe) and Kodi is not a match for Chromecast and/or Fire TV and I never want to think or spend too much of installing the right stuff on my "TV box".

tw04 9y ago

It's called Nvidia Shield - Chromecast with access to Amazon.

cgore 9y ago
I've got one of those, it's a piece of crap. I mostly use my Apple TV.
- tw04 9y ago
  In what way is it a piece of crap? I've got two and they've been flawless.
  - cgore 9y ago
    Mostly software issues, locking up and rebooting, stuff like that.

mcny 9y ago

> they were never good at each other. To have the best of two worlds is to have one Chromecast and one Fire TV. At least I don't need an Apple TV nowadays because Chromecast is good enough for local streaming and some occasional mirroring from Mac (although not the same quality as Apple TV). https://youtu.be/9pmPa_KxsAM?t=10402 https://youtu.be/9pmPa_KxsAM?t=10402 My guess is this goes all way to the top, to Larry: > It started when a guy from Mozilla asked a question about the future of the Web and mobile platforms. Page dove right in. “I’ve personally been quite sad at the industry’s behavior around all these things," he said. "If you take something as simple as IM, we’ve had an open offer to interoperate forever. Just this week Microsoft took advantage of that by interoperating with us. You can’t have people milking off of just one company.” > He was referring to Microsoft’s announcement that it would incorporate Google Talk into Outlook.com, even though it doesn’t allow Google to incorporate Outlook functions into Gmail. But as AllThingsD’s Mike Isaac noted, he left out the part where Google recently sent Microsoft a cease-and-desist letter demanding that it remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phones. > Page wasn’t finished. “You can’t focus on negativity and zero-sum games,” he said. “I don’t know how to deal with all of those things, and I’m sad that the Web isn’t advancing as fast as it should be. We struggle with people like Microsoft.” A question about Oracle and Java got him going again. “We’ve had a difficult relationship with Oracle, including having to appear in court,” Page said. “Money is obviously more important to them than any collaboration.” > It turns out this is also the media’s fault. “Every story I read about Google is us vs. some other company, or some stupid thing. I just don’t find that very interesting. We should be building great things that don’t exist. Being negative isn’t how we make progress.” > To recap, Page criticized Microsoft for treating Google as a rival, blasted Oracle for caring too much about money, and then whined about everyone being so negative. Heck, if it weren’t for those other companies standing in the way, Google would have probably already solved world hunger. Well, except for all the laws and bureaucrats and journalists who are also standing in the way. https://archive.fo/OuL1T https://archive.fo/OuL1T I love the work that people at Amazon.com are doing. However, as we push upwards of 60% of US households on Amazon prime, I think we have reasons to be worried. like acchow said: > Amazon fired the first shots tho. This is their fault and they should put Google products back up on their store.