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He was talking specifically about texting, when he mentioned the iPhone. And he’s right, Americans didn’t start texting until the iPhone made it cheap

by Lewton 9y ago

jasonkester 9y ago
But that's not true. Regular people were texting each other back in the 90s.
- Lewton 9y ago
  Not even close to the same degree that texting was popular in europe
- _acme 9y ago
  I (from the US) studied in France in 2003. In the US, most college sophomores at a very affluent school may not have even had mobile phones, let alone texted using them. In Paris, everyone had a mobile phone and everyone texted. There was a huge difference until a few years later (after I had graduated, with respect to mobile use generally and then the Blackberry and really then the iPhone did make texting popular).
  - pishpash 9y ago
    This sounds wrong. Almost everyone had a cell phone by 2003. I remember because we all stopped subscribing to dorm landlines. Here's a chart, population of US is 320M: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Annual_Cell_Phone_Subscriptions_-_United_States_1985_to_2010.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Annual_C...
com2kid 9y ago
> And he’s right, Americans didn’t start texting until the iPhone made it cheap The T-Mobile Sidekick might want to argue with that point. Though not focused on pure SMS, mobile messaging was most certainly popular. (And arguments about the Sidekick not being real SMS will run into arguments that with iPhone users tend towards iMessage, which is not pure SMS!)
- Lewton 9y ago
  The argument wasn’t meant to be that texting didn’t exist until the iPhone It’s the disparity between how popular texting was in Europe compared to the US before the iPhone became popular. Texting didn’t permeate American culture the same way it did in the EU in the late nineties/early noughts
adventured 9y ago
I was curious about this, so here you go: https://www.statista.com/statistics/215776/mobile-messaging-volumes-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/215776/mobile-messaging-... It's correct, texting in the US exploded with the modern smartphone. A four fold increase from 2007 to 2011. That said, it's not easy to separate out how much of that was the smartphone vs competitive pressure on text messaging costs and package inclusion of lots of texts / unlimited. The iPhone forced a leap in focusing on bandwidth as the new new thing for profitability as a carrier (so they more willingly gave up texting as a profit center). By contrast, the UK sent about 1/2 as many text messages as the US in 2004, while having 1/5 the population. A sizable difference for sure.
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dec0dedab0de 9y ago
Everyone I knew was texting by 2004. Most plans came with a few hundred free messages every month. If anything iPhone has been the demise of texting, since it made it easier to use apps that sidestep texting. Do you not remember all the people who could type faster in t9 than they could on a keyboard?
- pishpash 9y ago
  Indeed, there was a culture around texting already before the iPhone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmCRoSWT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmCRoSWT4
eli 9y ago
I think texting would've taken off in the late 2000s whether the iPhone happened or not. The timing was right. It was already huge in Japan.
jermaustin1 9y ago
I would say T9 helped get teens texting FAR more than the iPhone did. Now the iPhone helped get more phones into the hands of teenagers which probably increased the number of texters, but T9's predictive text messaging capabilities helped turn everyone who owned a flip phone into a texter.

He was talking specifically about texting, when he mentioned the iPhone. And he’s right, Americans didn’t start texting until the iPhone made it cheap

by Lewton 9y ago

He was talking specifically about texting, when he mentioned the iPhone. And he’s right, Americans didn’t start texting until the iPhone made it cheap

jasonkester 9y ago

But that's not true. Regular people were texting each other back in the 90s.

Lewton 9y ago
Not even close to the same degree that texting was popular in europe
_acme 9y ago
I (from the US) studied in France in 2003. In the US, most college sophomores at a very affluent school may not have even had mobile phones, let alone texted using them. In Paris, everyone had a mobile phone and everyone texted. There was a huge difference until a few years later (after I had graduated, with respect to mobile use generally and then the Blackberry and really then the iPhone did make texting popular).
- pishpash 9y ago
  This sounds wrong. Almost everyone had a cell phone by 2003. I remember because we all stopped subscribing to dorm landlines. Here's a chart, population of US is 320M: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Annual_Cell_Phone_Subscriptions_-_United_States_1985_to_2010.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Annual_C...

com2kid 9y ago

> And he’s right, Americans didn’t start texting until the iPhone made it cheap The T-Mobile Sidekick might want to argue with that point. Though not focused on pure SMS, mobile messaging was most certainly popular. (And arguments about the Sidekick not being real SMS will run into arguments that with iPhone users tend towards iMessage, which is not pure SMS!)

Lewton 9y ago
The argument wasn’t meant to be that texting didn’t exist until the iPhone It’s the disparity between how popular texting was in Europe compared to the US before the iPhone became popular. Texting didn’t permeate American culture the same way it did in the EU in the late nineties/early noughts

adventured 9y ago

I was curious about this, so here you go: https://www.statista.com/statistics/215776/mobile-messaging-volumes-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/215776/mobile-messaging-... It's correct, texting in the US exploded with the modern smartphone. A four fold increase from 2007 to 2011. That said, it's not easy to separate out how much of that was the smartphone vs competitive pressure on text messaging costs and package inclusion of lots of texts / unlimited. The iPhone forced a leap in focusing on bandwidth as the new new thing for profitability as a carrier (so they more willingly gave up texting as a profit center). By contrast, the UK sent about 1/2 as many text messages as the US in 2004, while having 1/5 the population. A sizable difference for sure.

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dec0dedab0de 9y ago

Everyone I knew was texting by 2004. Most plans came with a few hundred free messages every month. If anything iPhone has been the demise of texting, since it made it easier to use apps that sidestep texting. Do you not remember all the people who could type faster in t9 than they could on a keyboard?

pishpash 9y ago
Indeed, there was a culture around texting already before the iPhone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmCRoSWT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmCRoSWT4

eli 9y ago

I think texting would've taken off in the late 2000s whether the iPhone happened or not. The timing was right. It was already huge in Japan.

jermaustin1 9y ago

I would say T9 helped get teens texting FAR more than the iPhone did. Now the iPhone helped get more phones into the hands of teenagers which probably increased the number of texters, but T9's predictive text messaging capabilities helped turn everyone who owned a flip phone into a texter.