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There are numerous legitimate reasons for wanting to speak out loud for a conversation. But, if they said "let's do a call so that we can avoid putting possibl
by huac 9y ago
There are numerous legitimate reasons for wanting to speak out loud for a conversation. But, if they said "let's do a call so that we can avoid putting possibly incriminating material to disk" then that would violate the rules, and is analogous to what is being alleged here.
- yongjik 9y agoIANAL, but the rule must be more subtle than that, because I lost the count of times I saw "Everyone please stop responding to this email. If anybody has a question please call us." while I was at $(huge SV company). Or something like "This conference will not be recorded due to the sensitivity of the topic." (Not the exact wording, but the intent was clear. They even educated every employee on the importance of not writing down stuff that may be later quote-mined in a lawsuit.)
- tw04 9y ago>(Not the exact wording, but the intent was clear. They even educated every employee on the importance of not writing down stuff that may be later quote-mined in a lawsuit.) There's a MASSIVE difference between not writing stuff down because you have no idea if your competitors may use it against you in a future lawsuit, and not writing stuff down because you know what you're discussing is illegal.
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- codedokode 9y ago> because you know what you're discussing is illegal. How can you know that if you are not a lawyer?
- tw04 9y agoOutside of the fact that's a ridiculous question because I could cite COUNTLESS things the every day man knows is illegal - it's not the point. The point is if you aren't writing stuff down because you BELIEVE what you're discussing is illegal, and it violates your own retention policies - if you aren't outright breaking a law in your state, you're actively engaging in a massive ethics violation.
- codedokode 9y agoThen you should from the start make a policy not to keep any logs. The only use of those logs is to prove that you are guilty so it makes no sense to keep them. Even if you didn't do anything illegal, they can be used against you anyway.
- Shoothe 9y agoThat's the reasoning behind data retention policies. Lawyers don't see data older than N months. Even if you're not guilty lawyers can be costly when they need to analyze large amounts of data.
- paxy 9y agoI guess the difference is how obvious it is to everyone involved that you're engaging in an illegal activity.