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Why is GM (and others) allowed to test driverless cars in SF? Didn't Uber get kicked out of SF for its driverless program and have to relocate to AZ?

by cowmix 9y ago

1024core 9y ago
Uber didn't get the required permit (which literally cost < $100) from the state DMV. Rules? Who needs rules? -- Uber's motto
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  It's less about flaunting rules and more about wanting their cars to be classified a different way.
  - dmix 9y ago
    You mean it's more complex than not having the foresight to get a permit? You don't say... So much reductionist criticism of these companies whenever these issues come up on HN and elsewhere. The issues are far more complicated. These companies, including AirBnB et al, are not simply pushing the idea that "all regulations are bad" or "we're above regulations". It's about pushing back in an effort for better regulations appropriate for a modern industry. Typically they are designed for a previous era or inefficiently pigeonholed onto entirely new concepts.
- 1024core 9y ago
  I don't know why I'm being downvoted. Please read this article [1]. Quote: "The move comes after Uber refused to apply for a $150 permit that would designate the cars as test vehicles, and allow them to be used on Californian roads, with the company arguing that the documentation didn't apply to its specific self-driving cars." [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14049070/uber-san-francisco-self-driving-removed-registration-revoked https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14049070/uber-san-franci...
SilasX 9y ago
It's legal to test them, but you have to register them as such. Uber refused to register them (as I understand it) because it felt they didn't meet the legal definition of autonomous. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/technology/uber-self-driving-car-san-francisco.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/technology/uber-self-driv...

Why is GM (and others) allowed to test driverless cars in SF? Didn't Uber get kicked out of SF for its driverless program and have to relocate to AZ?

by cowmix 9y ago

Why is GM (and others) allowed to test driverless cars in SF? Didn't Uber get kicked out of SF for its driverless program and have to relocate to AZ?

1024core 9y ago

Uber didn't get the required permit (which literally cost < $100) from the state DMV. Rules? Who needs rules? -- Uber's motto

Dylan16807 9y ago
It's less about flaunting rules and more about wanting their cars to be classified a different way.
- dmix 9y ago
  You mean it's more complex than not having the foresight to get a permit? You don't say... So much reductionist criticism of these companies whenever these issues come up on HN and elsewhere. The issues are far more complicated. These companies, including AirBnB et al, are not simply pushing the idea that "all regulations are bad" or "we're above regulations". It's about pushing back in an effort for better regulations appropriate for a modern industry. Typically they are designed for a previous era or inefficiently pigeonholed onto entirely new concepts.
1024core 9y ago
I don't know why I'm being downvoted. Please read this article [1]. Quote: "The move comes after Uber refused to apply for a $150 permit that would designate the cars as test vehicles, and allow them to be used on Californian roads, with the company arguing that the documentation didn't apply to its specific self-driving cars." [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14049070/uber-san-francisco-self-driving-removed-registration-revoked https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14049070/uber-san-franci...

SilasX 9y ago

It's legal to test them, but you have to register them as such. Uber refused to register them (as I understand it) because it felt they didn't meet the legal definition of autonomous. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/technology/uber-self-driving-car-san-francisco.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/technology/uber-self-driv...