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Amazingly, this was disclosed offhand on the Apple developer forums, two weeks ago (see final comment by chethan177): https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread

by dtf 9y ago

Amazingly, this was disclosed offhand on the Apple developer forums, two weeks ago (see final comment by chethan177): https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/79235 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/79235 (spotted by https://twitter.com/fristle/status/935670476214378496 https://twitter.com/fristle/status/935670476214378496)

pls2halp 9y ago
That’s absolutely terrible. Does Apple not monitor those forums at all?
- neotek 9y ago
  Apple's support forums aren't a place where Apple provides their users with support, they're where Apple users seek support from other Apple users, mostly unhelpful and often inaccurate support. In fact, 99% of the time the only advice you'll get is "restore your iPhone", "restore your MacBook Pro", "restore your Apple TV" and so on into bitter infinity.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - refulgentis 9y ago
    Those are the support forums, GP is asking about developer forums. Yes, Apple monitors them, but apparently not closely enough :/
    - sarreph 9y ago
      Yeah, I miss the days back at the start of the decade when I would brim with delight over an email notification that a senior engineer / moderator had chimed-in on my thread on the Apple dev forums. Checking the dev forums was my favourite thing to do in IT class at school :) These days, I get that (especially now that they're open) the forums are too saturated with content to have engineers on the ball all the time... But the Captain Hindsight in me thinks they could have done with some keyword notifications to nip instances like this in the bud...
  - _pmf_ 9y ago
    > mostly unhelpful and often inaccurate support Sorry that the free support for your expensive device does not match the quality of the non-existing support from your device vendor.
  - lloeki 9y ago
    You forgot about "repair permissions" and "do a SMC+NVRAM reset"
- speleding 9y ago
  I ran into a bug with High Sierra, posted in the user forums and was contacted by a friendly Apple Engineer a day later. So they do read them, but apparently not close enough. I could see how someone would dismiss a posting like that with an "this cannot possibly be true" shrug.
galobtter 9y ago
"If you're able to log in (hurray, you're the admin now)" Personally not very hurray
dvhh 9y ago
So not so much a 0day vulnerability anymore (+ 13 days ) ?
chmars 9y ago
… as a _workaround_ for an administrator account-related bug. I should have known that updating to a new MacOS versions before 6 to 9 months have passed is a mistake. High Sierra is in my experience the buggiest MacOS release so far, not only security-wise. The system is not very stable and APFS reduced drive performance … :(
- harryf 9y ago
  From one bad upgrade that cost me a bunch of productivity - believe it was Lion - as well as observing the struggles of colleagues, these days always wait 6 months at least before upgrading OSX
  - dep_b 9y ago
    I basically only update when (a beta of) Xcode tells me it won't run on my current version. Usually that's the point when either all bugs have been fixed or they will not be fixed before the new version.
    - nothis 9y ago
      Yea, Xcode is so annoying with this. What magical features does it use under the hood to not allow basic functionality and iOS support that seems completely unrelated to the macOS version? I have zero incentive to update macOS except Xcode telling me it needs a new version that only runs on the new one.
      - dep_b 9y ago
        Xcode still needs to compile for macOS of course. It's not just for iOS development. If you want to compile for the next version of macOS you need to be on the next version.
        skykooler 9y ago
        But why? You don't need to be running the latest version of the Linux kernel to compile binaries for it. You don't need to run Windows 10 to compile programs for it. Why does Apple's compiler need to run on the same system its build target is for?

by dtf 9y ago

pls2halp 9y ago

That’s absolutely terrible. Does Apple not monitor those forums at all?

neotek 9y ago
Apple's support forums aren't a place where Apple provides their users with support, they're where Apple users seek support from other Apple users, mostly unhelpful and often inaccurate support. In fact, 99% of the time the only advice you'll get is "restore your iPhone", "restore your MacBook Pro", "restore your Apple TV" and so on into bitter infinity.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- refulgentis 9y ago
  Those are the support forums, GP is asking about developer forums. Yes, Apple monitors them, but apparently not closely enough :/
  - sarreph 9y ago
    Yeah, I miss the days back at the start of the decade when I would brim with delight over an email notification that a senior engineer / moderator had chimed-in on my thread on the Apple dev forums. Checking the dev forums was my favourite thing to do in IT class at school :) These days, I get that (especially now that they're open) the forums are too saturated with content to have engineers on the ball all the time... But the Captain Hindsight in me thinks they could have done with some keyword notifications to nip instances like this in the bud...
- _pmf_ 9y ago
  > mostly unhelpful and often inaccurate support Sorry that the free support for your expensive device does not match the quality of the non-existing support from your device vendor.
- lloeki 9y ago
  You forgot about "repair permissions" and "do a SMC+NVRAM reset"
speleding 9y ago
I ran into a bug with High Sierra, posted in the user forums and was contacted by a friendly Apple Engineer a day later. So they do read them, but apparently not close enough. I could see how someone would dismiss a posting like that with an "this cannot possibly be true" shrug.

galobtter 9y ago

"If you're able to log in (hurray, you're the admin now)" Personally not very hurray

dvhh 9y ago

So not so much a 0day vulnerability anymore (+ 13 days ) ?

chmars 9y ago

… as a _workaround_ for an administrator account-related bug. I should have known that updating to a new MacOS versions before 6 to 9 months have passed is a mistake. High Sierra is in my experience the buggiest MacOS release so far, not only security-wise. The system is not very stable and APFS reduced drive performance … :(

harryf 9y ago
From one bad upgrade that cost me a bunch of productivity - believe it was Lion - as well as observing the struggles of colleagues, these days always wait 6 months at least before upgrading OSX
- dep_b 9y ago
  I basically only update when (a beta of) Xcode tells me it won't run on my current version. Usually that's the point when either all bugs have been fixed or they will not be fixed before the new version.
  - nothis 9y ago
    Yea, Xcode is so annoying with this. What magical features does it use under the hood to not allow basic functionality and iOS support that seems completely unrelated to the macOS version? I have zero incentive to update macOS except Xcode telling me it needs a new version that only runs on the new one.
    - dep_b 9y ago
      Xcode still needs to compile for macOS of course. It's not just for iOS development. If you want to compile for the next version of macOS you need to be on the next version.
      - skykooler 9y ago
        But why? You don't need to be running the latest version of the Linux kernel to compile binaries for it. You don't need to run Windows 10 to compile programs for it. Why does Apple's compiler need to run on the same system its build target is for?