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Apple has a serious software quality problem. Last night I was helping a friend with their computer. Safari couldn't even render apples website correctly. Nor c

Apple has a serious software quality problem. Last night I was helping a friend with their computer. Safari couldn't even render apples website correctly. Nor could Safari connect to any site with HTTPS. Installed FireFox and HTTPS sites worked and apples's site renders. But the submit button on their developer site is broken[1]. Mail on my Mom's fully updated laptop crashes every time it's opened. Once I reported a bug in ptrace like 4 years ago and no response yet. Also the archive utility fails often to extract tar files that the tar command has no problem extracting at all. Quicktime can't play most videos, etc, etc. And now shipping an operating system with a root account with no password by default. Come on Apple you have a quarter trillion dollars in the bank why don't you spend some on improving your software. [1]: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/60763 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/60763

minusSeven 9y ago
Its not just Apple though. Microsoft had the similar problems in the past. Edge did not support silverlight causing people to move to other browser. It was strange to see Microsoft's own software not supported by Microsoft.
- 2trill2spill 9y ago
  > Its not just Apple though. Microsoft had the similar problems in the past. Edge did not support silverlight causing people to move to other browser. It was strange to see Microsoft's own software not supported by Microsoft. In my personal experience Windows has been much better than MacOS for me. I've been using Windows 7 for the last year at work and I'm having significantly less problems with Windows then MacOS. But Windows and MacOS both give me more problems then a FreeBSD or Linux box ever has.
  - anko 9y ago
    > I'm having significantly less problems with Windows then MacOS. I'm interested.. What kind of problems? > But Windows and MacOS both give me more problems then a FreeBSD or Linux box ever has. I switched from linux on the desktop to MacOs precisely because of the problems linux had - driver support, even LTS updates breaking functionality, and overall clunkiness. I run linux on all my servers.
    - kylemuir 9y ago
      Really? What driver support on a desktop were you experiencing? I've run Linux mint on my desktop at home for a few years now and have had zero problems at all (Intel i5, Nvidia gfx, wired connection). The last time I had driver issues with Linux was ~10 years ago and it was for a laptop running Ubuntu.
  - snowpalmer 9y ago
    Windows 7 has been on the market since 2009 while High Sierra has been out since June of this year. I feel like we're not comparing apples to apples here.. I'm sure both companies are releasing security fixes consistently and Win7 has clearly had more of them in 8 years.
- strictnein 9y ago
  Silverlight was EOL'd five years ago.
  - reaperducer 9y ago
    Tell that to Dish Network.
- asejfwe8823 9y ago
  MS announced they were abandoning Silverlight ~5 years ago now. Any platforms using it should be avoided like the plague.
- will_hughes 9y ago
  It was partly a marketing thing, but Edge is not IE, and Edge has never supported any plugins (which Silverlight is).
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    Correction: Edge is Not-IE(-Not-At-All-Nooosir)
- oefrha 9y ago
  EdgeHTML sure has advanced a lot from Trident, and I appreciate their openness with Platform status, but Edge as a browser is still a joke IMO. The other day I had to use vanilla Windows 10, and wanted to save a text file from Edge. Nope, there's no such functionality. The closest thing to save is print to PDF.
- heedlessly2 9y ago
  newsflash: every big tech company is plagued with software issues Google's Playstore is plagued with malware and other scam apps. iTunes occasionally has scam apps too but PlayStore is much worse.
eridius 9y ago
> Safari couldn't even render apples website correctly. Nor could Safari connect to any site with HTTPS. Sounds like something's wrong with your friend's computer, because neither of those issues are reasonable to expect no matter what your opinion of Apple's software is. > But the submit button on their developer site is broken Given the number of people who've successfully gone through that form, I'm willing to bet it's a content blocker extension that's blocking some dependency the form needs. > And now shipping an operating system with a root account with no password by default. The OS actually ships with root disabled. The bug isn't that there's no password (after all, a factory-set password isn't any more secure), the bug is that the login form is somehow re-enabling the root user when it's not supposed to be able to do so.
- 2trill2spill 9y ago
  > Sounds like something's wrong with your friend's computer, because neither of those issues are reasonable to expect no matter what your opinion of Apple's software is. Doubtful Firefox and Chrome work just fine. > Given the number of people who've successfully gone through that form, I'm willing to bet it's a content blocker extension that's blocking some dependency the form needs. Brand new install of Mac OS on a new SSD. So Safari was clean no extensions, no custom configuration. > The OS actually ships with root disabled. The bug isn't that there's no password (after all, a factory-set password isn't any more secure), the bug is that the login form is somehow re-enabling the root user when it's not supposed to be able to do so. Mere semantics, It doesn't matter if root is being "reenabled" or not. From an attackers point of view High Sierra effectively ships with root with no password.
  - eridius 9y ago
    > Doubtful Firefox and Chrome work just fine. That doesn't mean anything. It just means that whatever is messed up affects Safari. It's not like the computer recognizes "oh those 3 apps are all web browsers, therefore if I'm going to screw one of them up, I have to screw them all up". Your claim would carry more weight if you were listing multiple browsers that all use the same system-provided WebKit.framework, but Firefox and Chrome are completely separate browsing engines. Regarding the HTTPS issue, I believe Firefox and Chrome maintain their own list of root certs, so one possible way the computer could be screwed up is having the system-managed root cert list be damaged (you didn't specify what actually happens when trying to connect to HTTPS sites so I don't know if this is actually a plausible cause in this particular case). > Brand new install of Mac OS on a new SSD. So Safari was clean no extensions, no custom configuration. Well I don't know what to tell you, except to point out that there's, what, hundreds of thousands of registered Apple developers now? who've all had to go through that form, and there's only a handful of people on that thread, so it's far more likely to be a local issue.
markdog12 9y ago
Paid $3,000 for an iMac. Can't even watch any video or have the kids FaceTime their grandparents because video freezes constantly. Rebooting fixes it...for 2 minutes.

minusSeven 9y ago

Its not just Apple though. Microsoft had the similar problems in the past. Edge did not support silverlight causing people to move to other browser. It was strange to see Microsoft's own software not supported by Microsoft.

2trill2spill 9y ago
> Its not just Apple though. Microsoft had the similar problems in the past. Edge did not support silverlight causing people to move to other browser. It was strange to see Microsoft's own software not supported by Microsoft. In my personal experience Windows has been much better than MacOS for me. I've been using Windows 7 for the last year at work and I'm having significantly less problems with Windows then MacOS. But Windows and MacOS both give me more problems then a FreeBSD or Linux box ever has.
- anko 9y ago
  > I'm having significantly less problems with Windows then MacOS. I'm interested.. What kind of problems? > But Windows and MacOS both give me more problems then a FreeBSD or Linux box ever has. I switched from linux on the desktop to MacOs precisely because of the problems linux had - driver support, even LTS updates breaking functionality, and overall clunkiness. I run linux on all my servers.
  - kylemuir 9y ago
    Really? What driver support on a desktop were you experiencing? I've run Linux mint on my desktop at home for a few years now and have had zero problems at all (Intel i5, Nvidia gfx, wired connection). The last time I had driver issues with Linux was ~10 years ago and it was for a laptop running Ubuntu.
- snowpalmer 9y ago
  Windows 7 has been on the market since 2009 while High Sierra has been out since June of this year. I feel like we're not comparing apples to apples here.. I'm sure both companies are releasing security fixes consistently and Win7 has clearly had more of them in 8 years.
strictnein 9y ago
Silverlight was EOL'd five years ago.
- reaperducer 9y ago
  Tell that to Dish Network.
asejfwe8823 9y ago
MS announced they were abandoning Silverlight ~5 years ago now. Any platforms using it should be avoided like the plague.
will_hughes 9y ago
It was partly a marketing thing, but Edge is not IE, and Edge has never supported any plugins (which Silverlight is).
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  Correction: Edge is Not-IE(-Not-At-All-Nooosir)
oefrha 9y ago
EdgeHTML sure has advanced a lot from Trident, and I appreciate their openness with Platform status, but Edge as a browser is still a joke IMO. The other day I had to use vanilla Windows 10, and wanted to save a text file from Edge. Nope, there's no such functionality. The closest thing to save is print to PDF.
heedlessly2 9y ago
newsflash: every big tech company is plagued with software issues Google's Playstore is plagued with malware and other scam apps. iTunes occasionally has scam apps too but PlayStore is much worse.

eridius 9y ago

> Safari couldn't even render apples website correctly. Nor could Safari connect to any site with HTTPS. Sounds like something's wrong with your friend's computer, because neither of those issues are reasonable to expect no matter what your opinion of Apple's software is. > But the submit button on their developer site is broken Given the number of people who've successfully gone through that form, I'm willing to bet it's a content blocker extension that's blocking some dependency the form needs. > And now shipping an operating system with a root account with no password by default. The OS actually ships with root disabled. The bug isn't that there's no password (after all, a factory-set password isn't any more secure), the bug is that the login form is somehow re-enabling the root user when it's not supposed to be able to do so.

2trill2spill 9y ago
> Sounds like something's wrong with your friend's computer, because neither of those issues are reasonable to expect no matter what your opinion of Apple's software is. Doubtful Firefox and Chrome work just fine. > Given the number of people who've successfully gone through that form, I'm willing to bet it's a content blocker extension that's blocking some dependency the form needs. Brand new install of Mac OS on a new SSD. So Safari was clean no extensions, no custom configuration. > The OS actually ships with root disabled. The bug isn't that there's no password (after all, a factory-set password isn't any more secure), the bug is that the login form is somehow re-enabling the root user when it's not supposed to be able to do so. Mere semantics, It doesn't matter if root is being "reenabled" or not. From an attackers point of view High Sierra effectively ships with root with no password.
- eridius 9y ago
  > Doubtful Firefox and Chrome work just fine. That doesn't mean anything. It just means that whatever is messed up affects Safari. It's not like the computer recognizes "oh those 3 apps are all web browsers, therefore if I'm going to screw one of them up, I have to screw them all up". Your claim would carry more weight if you were listing multiple browsers that all use the same system-provided WebKit.framework, but Firefox and Chrome are completely separate browsing engines. Regarding the HTTPS issue, I believe Firefox and Chrome maintain their own list of root certs, so one possible way the computer could be screwed up is having the system-managed root cert list be damaged (you didn't specify what actually happens when trying to connect to HTTPS sites so I don't know if this is actually a plausible cause in this particular case). > Brand new install of Mac OS on a new SSD. So Safari was clean no extensions, no custom configuration. Well I don't know what to tell you, except to point out that there's, what, hundreds of thousands of registered Apple developers now? who've all had to go through that form, and there's only a handful of people on that thread, so it's far more likely to be a local issue.

markdog12 9y ago

Paid $3,000 for an iMac. Can't even watch any video or have the kids FaceTime their grandparents because video freezes constantly. Rebooting fixes it...for 2 minutes.