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How can an ideology based around property rights be greedy? Is it greedy to keep what is yours?
by VMG 9y ago
How can an ideology based around property rights be greedy? Is it greedy to keep what is yours?
- zabana 9y agoAbsolutely not, however it is greedy to take what isn't. (ie Irak, Syria et al ...)
- VMG 9y agoWe're getting off-topic, but can you name a libertarian that is pro-war? Most are vocally anti-war.
- buttcoinslol 9y agoRon Paul advocated that we pull out of every foreign military installation we have and look inward. This action would cause such a huge vacuum of power that WW III is a foregone conclusion in that scenario. The lesson here? Libertarians have good ideas about: The war on drugs,
- VMG 9y agoYet he received more money from active duty military than all other candidates combined. Add this to your list: blowback.
- scandox 9y agoThe world is a club run for the benefit of its members, not a contract enslaving all future generations. Therefore property rights must be balanced against other considerations. The definition of greed is to want to keep what is yours in the face of its inutility to yourself and its absolute necessity to someone else.
- buttcoinslol 9y agoLibertarianism advocates for the privatization of EVERYTHING and the destruction of the social safety net. Have fun enforcing your property rights when the guy with more capital can drain you dry in the private court system. Most people who advocate libertarian ideas would be a serf/slave in a real libertarian paradise. I would also be a serf/slave, I have no illusions about that.
- VMG 9y ago> Libertarianism advocates for the privatization of EVERYTHING and the destruction of the social safety net. The privatization of everything including the social safety net. > Have fun enforcing your property rights when the guy with more capital can drain you dry in the private court system Users of the current court systems are having "fun" too, you know. What's the benchmark here?
- buttcoinslol 9y agoMy point is that wealth stratification under a libertarian system would rapidly approach the 1% owning 90+% instead of the 40% they now hold. Robber Barons, Gilded Age. <--- Read about this era before advocating for libertarian ideas It's hard to have discussions about the present if you don't understand the past.
- VMG 9y ago> Robber Barons, Gilded Age. <--- Read about this era before advocating for libertarian ideas The most rapid increase in prosperity in the history of mankind, where millions of people were lifted out of abject poverty. Currently repeating in other countries that embrace free-market capitalism. What's your point?
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoThe highest class differences ever in America, save the present day. What's your point?
- buttcoinslol 9y agoClass/wealth stratification is bad for everyone. The poor suffer, and if things get bad enough, emperors and their families are gunned down, [1] and the rich are beheaded. [2] Nobody wins. Striving towards a saner wage/wealth gap will have more benefits for society than hyperbolic wealth stratification. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_famil... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
- bbctol 9y ago...the king said, just before the blade fell.
- lmm 9y agoWe can't talk about what's "ours" without talking about how it became "ours" in the first place. Keeping land that your ancestors "claimed" back when the world was much less populated, most likely driving other people off by force to do so, is indeed greedy.