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"It's not acceptable to punish today's men for what men of past got away with. " The only men who are being punished are those who actually engaged in that beh

"It's not acceptable to punish today's men for what men of past got away with. " The only men who are being punished are those who actually engaged in that behavior. I dare say that it is acceptable to punish them. "But the way we decide on anecdotes and stories is." We're not; and we're not actually sending anyone to jail based on just that. The accusations that have been publicized have been vetted, and they have been found to be quite likely true. Keep in mind that, for most of these accusations, there wouldn't be much, if any physical evidence. If I force a woman to kiss me, or grope without consent, there's not going to be any evidence of that. If I ask a woman if I can masturbate in front of her, it's highly unlikely that there would be a recording, or that she would take my semen with her. "Also, it's not only the bar that is lowering, the definition of what's normal advances and what's molesting is changing." No. What's changing is that people feel stronger and more able to stand up for themselves and come out with what happened. The behavior was never really acceptable; it's that women didn't feel strong enough to come forward and say that.

gkya 9y ago
First of all, punishment is two-fold: the formal punishment the court orders; and the informal one: how the community receives you after what you've done is known. I'm mostly concerned about the second. Maybe I'm not being successful at making that obvious. How a court decides is out of the scope of my argument. How the public decides is. And what I say is that ideally the precautions should be taken so that the court is first to decide. On the last paragraph, I do agree you, and don't see why it should negate my statement that you've quoted. I'm on my twenties, so maybe I don't know enough, but how people flirt is definitely changing, and what is acceptable does also change too (interpreting "acceptable" not as "moral" but as "not frowned upon").
- MBCook 9y ago
  Something to ensure that courts were the first to decide would, in the current situation, only benefit the perpetrators. Does a very long history of courts not being willing to take this seriously or listen to the evidence, or problems with short statute of limitations meaning that it’s very hard to get a conviction if a woman waited before making an accusation. In abstract I think it’s a understandable/useful concept but in this particular situation I think it would only benefit the side that needs help the least (due to historical factors/biases).

gkya 9y ago

First of all, punishment is two-fold: the formal punishment the court orders; and the informal one: how the community receives you after what you've done is known. I'm mostly concerned about the second. Maybe I'm not being successful at making that obvious. How a court decides is out of the scope of my argument. How the public decides is. And what I say is that ideally the precautions should be taken so that the court is first to decide. On the last paragraph, I do agree you, and don't see why it should negate my statement that you've quoted. I'm on my twenties, so maybe I don't know enough, but how people flirt is definitely changing, and what is acceptable does also change too (interpreting "acceptable" not as "moral" but as "not frowned upon").

MBCook 9y ago
Something to ensure that courts were the first to decide would, in the current situation, only benefit the perpetrators. Does a very long history of courts not being willing to take this seriously or listen to the evidence, or problems with short statute of limitations meaning that it’s very hard to get a conviction if a woman waited before making an accusation. In abstract I think it’s a understandable/useful concept but in this particular situation I think it would only benefit the side that needs help the least (due to historical factors/biases).