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If you absolutely refuse to dance, it may be a sign of schizotypical personality disorder, or avoidant personality. These things can wreck your life if you let

by b0rsuk 9y ago

If you absolutely refuse to dance, it may be a sign of schizotypical personality disorder, or avoidant personality. These things can wreck your life if you let them. At least read about them and be aware.

inteleng 9y ago
Please don't post this sort of thing on a public forum.
- SturgeonsLaw 9y ago
  I'm curious why you'd request OP not to post that? I tend to think that all topics should be able to be freely discussed provided they're relevant, and the conversation sincere.
  - eesmith 9y ago
    Implicit in your comment is the belief that the OP's comment was relevant and sincere. I don't believe it was. For one, it would mean a huge percentage of the population has a schizotypical personality disorder, or avoidant personality. For another, there is a strong cultural effect on dance popularity. There are areas where dancing is banned due to religious prohibitions. (The movie "Footloose" is based on that premise.) While it's possible that, say, 0.01% of the people may not dance for reasons the OP gave, it's very unlikely that the OP's argument has any significance.
    - eigenstuff 9y ago
      There's also no such thing as "schizotypical" personality disorder. It's schizotypal.
    - b0rsuk 9y ago
      Schizotypal / Schizoid and avoidant are currently much less studied than Asperger's Syndrome (which is becoming glamorous), depression, psychopathy, schizofrenia or bipolar. How do you know ? There are reasons to believe avoidant/schizotypal/schizoid can be related to childhood trauma. More than 0.01% have some kind of childhood trauma, and they mostly go undetected. Zampano from the movie "La Strada" just screams "Schizotypal", but if you put the two in a search engine - it hasn't occurred to anyone.
      - eesmith 9y ago
        Is your argument that there is a strong connection between people who don't want to dance and people who are schizotypal/avoidant? Or are you no longer talking about reasons why a large percentage of the male population does not dance?
        b0rsuk 9y ago
        I never talked about why a large percentage of the male population does not dance. It was something you invented and put in my mouth. It was a failure of reading comprehension on your part, and you downvoted me for it. I demand an apology. The article was: "Why some men won't dance". (Why some male animals have tails) My post was: "Men who are schizotypal/avoidant don't dance. Read about it to figure out if you are.". (Male cats have tails. Consider you might be a cat.) Your response was: "He's saying all men who don't dance are schizotypal/avoidant!" ("He's saying all male animals are cats!")
        eesmith 9y ago
        "He's saying all men who don't dance are schizotypal/avoidant!" I'm saying that I don't think your statement is diagnostic in any useful sense. While that might be the reason why some (a perhaps small number) males don't dance, there are cultures where men do dance, and cultures where they do not, and these percentages are quite large. As such there must a strong cultural effect on why male do/don't dance, with schizotypal/avoidant behavior a far smaller reason.
- aunty_helen 9y ago
  Also curious as you don't give much of an explanation?
  - inteleng 9y ago
    see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15877188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15877188.
- b0rsuk 9y ago
  Why ? Because you're going to bully me ?
  - inteleng 9y ago
    No, it was just a test of the HN hivemind. They go nuts with the upvotes when people with all-lowercase usernames say authoritative things, like "please stop," etc. On the other hand, you could have worded your comment a bit better so it didn't seem like you were accusing every reader of having schizotypal personality disorder.
oceanghost 9y ago
How does it relate?
- b0rsuk 9y ago
  Dancing, singing and similar ways of expressing emotions are terrifying for schizotypal people. It can be an early warning. I'm using the opportunity to promote awareness. I've been diagnosed with a very similar disorder. For 30 years I used to think it's perfectly normal to lash out when someone speculates about your romantic relationships, suggests going to a party or dancing. I ended up alone, and not in the "single" sense, but people - often my best friends - gradually stopped contacting me, one by one, for no apparent reason and without saying anything. I thought I just was "shy" or "introverted". But my behaviour qualifies as extreme introversion, and I was just responding with verbal aggression (offense is best defense) because I felt threatened and naked when someone inquired about my emotions. Schozotypal personality disorder can wreck your life, I know because I am in this situation and it takes a lot of effort and self-discipline to recover. One of most common side effects is severe depression. Schizotypal people fear emotional contact, but at the same time they crave it and close relationships and friendships. Gollum, Groke from Moomins, Zampano from "La Strada". It doesn't help people see I don't visibly express emotions and conclude I don't feel them. At best they say I'm stoic, at worst - a psychopath. A personality like that has far-reaching consequences. In Europe, or at least in Poland, it is customary to eat everything clean to show you like it very much and to please your host. In Asia it's the opposite. You're sopposed to leave a token piece of food to show the host has given enough to feed everyone. In both cases, you want to please your host - but you use radically different approach. You can draw opposite conclusions from the same idea. How does it relate to being schizotypal ? If you're very uncomfortable discussing your emotions, family relationships, etc... you don't ask other people about that either, because you assume other people are like you. People judge others by themselves. The result is that people thing you're an egoist because you don't ask others about their emotional well-being. And because you often keep a poker face, your ability to read emotions of others is a bit impaired too.
  - ionised 9y ago
    There is a difference bing due to between not enjoying dancing and avoiding dancing due to anxiety or embarrassment. The fact that your friends abandoned you because you didn't want to dance is something else entirely. They weren't really your friends. If they were, this wouldn't have happened. I have friends that both love night clubs and friends that don't. Frequently the groups overlap and spend time together doing things they both enjoy. I can't imagine any of them cutting off contact with the others for such shallow reasons. Point being, just because it was this way for you, doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. There are a multitude of reasons someone may not want to dance, and not all are due to disorders. That's a dangerous way to think.
AstralStorm 9y ago
If you absolutely have to dance, this might be a sign of OCPD or narcissistic personality disorder. Just as baseless.
teilo 9y ago
Great. Now apply that argument to singing and see how it works out.

by b0rsuk 9y ago

inteleng 9y ago

Please don't post this sort of thing on a public forum.

SturgeonsLaw 9y ago
I'm curious why you'd request OP not to post that? I tend to think that all topics should be able to be freely discussed provided they're relevant, and the conversation sincere.
- eesmith 9y ago
  Implicit in your comment is the belief that the OP's comment was relevant and sincere. I don't believe it was. For one, it would mean a huge percentage of the population has a schizotypical personality disorder, or avoidant personality. For another, there is a strong cultural effect on dance popularity. There are areas where dancing is banned due to religious prohibitions. (The movie "Footloose" is based on that premise.) While it's possible that, say, 0.01% of the people may not dance for reasons the OP gave, it's very unlikely that the OP's argument has any significance.
  - eigenstuff 9y ago
    There's also no such thing as "schizotypical" personality disorder. It's schizotypal.
  - b0rsuk 9y ago
    Schizotypal / Schizoid and avoidant are currently much less studied than Asperger's Syndrome (which is becoming glamorous), depression, psychopathy, schizofrenia or bipolar. How do you know ? There are reasons to believe avoidant/schizotypal/schizoid can be related to childhood trauma. More than 0.01% have some kind of childhood trauma, and they mostly go undetected. Zampano from the movie "La Strada" just screams "Schizotypal", but if you put the two in a search engine - it hasn't occurred to anyone.
    - eesmith 9y ago
      Is your argument that there is a strong connection between people who don't want to dance and people who are schizotypal/avoidant? Or are you no longer talking about reasons why a large percentage of the male population does not dance?
      - b0rsuk 9y ago
        I never talked about why a large percentage of the male population does not dance. It was something you invented and put in my mouth. It was a failure of reading comprehension on your part, and you downvoted me for it. I demand an apology. The article was: "Why some men won't dance". (Why some male animals have tails) My post was: "Men who are schizotypal/avoidant don't dance. Read about it to figure out if you are.". (Male cats have tails. Consider you might be a cat.) Your response was: "He's saying all men who don't dance are schizotypal/avoidant!" ("He's saying all male animals are cats!")
        eesmith 9y ago
        "He's saying all men who don't dance are schizotypal/avoidant!" I'm saying that I don't think your statement is diagnostic in any useful sense. While that might be the reason why some (a perhaps small number) males don't dance, there are cultures where men do dance, and cultures where they do not, and these percentages are quite large. As such there must a strong cultural effect on why male do/don't dance, with schizotypal/avoidant behavior a far smaller reason.
aunty_helen 9y ago
Also curious as you don't give much of an explanation?
- inteleng 9y ago
  see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15877188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15877188.
b0rsuk 9y ago
Why ? Because you're going to bully me ?
- inteleng 9y ago
  No, it was just a test of the HN hivemind. They go nuts with the upvotes when people with all-lowercase usernames say authoritative things, like "please stop," etc. On the other hand, you could have worded your comment a bit better so it didn't seem like you were accusing every reader of having schizotypal personality disorder.

oceanghost 9y ago

How does it relate?

b0rsuk 9y ago
Dancing, singing and similar ways of expressing emotions are terrifying for schizotypal people. It can be an early warning. I'm using the opportunity to promote awareness. I've been diagnosed with a very similar disorder. For 30 years I used to think it's perfectly normal to lash out when someone speculates about your romantic relationships, suggests going to a party or dancing. I ended up alone, and not in the "single" sense, but people - often my best friends - gradually stopped contacting me, one by one, for no apparent reason and without saying anything. I thought I just was "shy" or "introverted". But my behaviour qualifies as extreme introversion, and I was just responding with verbal aggression (offense is best defense) because I felt threatened and naked when someone inquired about my emotions. Schozotypal personality disorder can wreck your life, I know because I am in this situation and it takes a lot of effort and self-discipline to recover. One of most common side effects is severe depression. Schizotypal people fear emotional contact, but at the same time they crave it and close relationships and friendships. Gollum, Groke from Moomins, Zampano from "La Strada". It doesn't help people see I don't visibly express emotions and conclude I don't feel them. At best they say I'm stoic, at worst - a psychopath. A personality like that has far-reaching consequences. In Europe, or at least in Poland, it is customary to eat everything clean to show you like it very much and to please your host. In Asia it's the opposite. You're sopposed to leave a token piece of food to show the host has given enough to feed everyone. In both cases, you want to please your host - but you use radically different approach. You can draw opposite conclusions from the same idea. How does it relate to being schizotypal ? If you're very uncomfortable discussing your emotions, family relationships, etc... you don't ask other people about that either, because you assume other people are like you. People judge others by themselves. The result is that people thing you're an egoist because you don't ask others about their emotional well-being. And because you often keep a poker face, your ability to read emotions of others is a bit impaired too.
- ionised 9y ago
  There is a difference bing due to between not enjoying dancing and avoiding dancing due to anxiety or embarrassment. The fact that your friends abandoned you because you didn't want to dance is something else entirely. They weren't really your friends. If they were, this wouldn't have happened. I have friends that both love night clubs and friends that don't. Frequently the groups overlap and spend time together doing things they both enjoy. I can't imagine any of them cutting off contact with the others for such shallow reasons. Point being, just because it was this way for you, doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. There are a multitude of reasons someone may not want to dance, and not all are due to disorders. That's a dangerous way to think.

AstralStorm 9y ago

If you absolutely have to dance, this might be a sign of OCPD or narcissistic personality disorder. Just as baseless.

teilo 9y ago

Great. Now apply that argument to singing and see how it works out.