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IE9 Preview: Large performance improvements and 95/100 on Acid3
- wmwong 16y agoThis is great news, except for the fact that there is still a huge percentage on IE6. Until people migrate off, it'll still be a pain in the ass to develop sites. That's one nice thing about the other browsers. Most users are on very similar versions. IE, on the other hand, have users spread out across many old versions. It will be time to celebrate when they can get most of their users on the newest IE. I can't wait for that day.
- d4rt 16y agoThe real shame is no IE9 for Windows XP. [1] Some 60% [2] of the market share is Windows XP. IE 6 - 8 are going to be with us for some time. [1] http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/Default.html http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/info/FrequentlyAskedQuesti... [2] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Microsoft_Windows https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Microsoft_Win...
- misterbwong 16y agoThat is unfortunate. Hopefully the popularity of Win7 will help with this. I wonder if MS is contemplating releasing a non-video accelerated version of IE9.
- redorb 16y agoThe best solution I see to the "no IE9 for windows xp" problem if were not counting on Microsoft to do something is Chrome frame; but I think some big player (youtube, facebook etc..) would have to almost force it on users for it to cut down on those big percentages http://www.google.com/chromeframe http://www.google.com/chromeframe
- Setsuna 16y ago>The real shame is no IE9 for Windows XP Yes, but there are plenty of other browsers such as Firefox and Chrome that work in XP. Unless you're talking about accessing sites that will work only in IE.
- melling 16y agoHuge? 17% is significant, but not huge. http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2 http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qp... People have several options: Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, and, IE8. All of these are free, so I think we're almost to the point where people can be nudged off of IE6.
- kenjackson 16y agoThe browser wars are back! MS, please bring the strength of this engine to WP7!
- jf 16y agoIt is my understanding that IE9 will come to WP7 - just not at launch.
- kenjackson 16y agoThanks. You just made my day!
- DanHulton 16y agoOr more importantly, bring it to Outlook. Please, please, please make email templates easy-to-write!
- bosch 16y agoThis would be huge as now Outlook uses the shitty Word html engine for some reason. Hopefully, the next version of Office will get this!
- bosch 16y agoThe part I've been waiting for years to hear was: "We recommend sending IE9 the same standards-based markup your site sends other browsers. "
- tomjen3 16y agoFor how long? Can I count on IE9 keeping up with the new developments in HTML capacity, as we move closer to desktop functionality? Of course not - so IE9 doesn't matter, since it will soon be obsolete.
- Setsuna 16y agoDoes it mean I don't have to use separate code for IE and Standards based browsers?
- nailer 16y agoYes.
- tomjen3 16y agoUnfortunately by the time we can count on this being available on a majority of client computers, the web will have moved on to newer and better things. As long as Microsoft insists on allowing users to use anything but the latest version, we will have to play to the slowest mover - which will make everybody suffer.
- ugh 16y agoHm, is that actually true? Internet Explorer 7 seems to be fading fast. Internet Explorer 6 is in my eyes the only really big problem and there is not much Microsoft can do about it. (They should bring IE9 to XP but I don’t think that’s going to help all that much.) Transitions seem to be fast now, Microsoft can push out updates relatively quickly.
- abstractbill 16y agoSome data, from justin.tv: IE8: 75.57% IE7: 17.84% IE6: 6.57% All other versions of IE: 0.02%
- evo_9 16y agoYeah this is good, but the thing to keep in mind is that an OS release always drives these numbers way up. IE8 comes with Windows 7. Vista didn't do so well so the IE7 numbers reflect that. IE9 Won't benefit from being part of an OS release (unfortunately).
- ghurlman 16y agoIt's not just that... large corporations that are sticking with XP are finally getting around to upgrading from IE6 - and skipping directly to IE8.
- invisible 16y agoWindows XP Pro price raised (on average) to around $150. Windows 7 Pro is (on average) $85. I know large corporations get killer deals, but over time the cost will outweigh the benefits. I think the phase out will be less than 5 years for most businesses.
- tpinto 16y agoafter all these years: 95/100. great work huh? why don't they stop with IE already and start shipping a webkit-based browser? why would they want to always be a couple years behind everyone else on that front?
- cracell 16y agoWhile I would be incredibly happy to hear that IE switched to webkit. 95/100 is a great ACID3 score. And they explained why a few of the points weren't made. ACID3 just tests things that browsers usually get wrong. Not necessarily things that are in that high demand to be used by Web Developers. IE9 is an amazing step-up from IE8 so far and I think we should all be patting them on the back. I'm sure dealing with Microsoft policies and playing catchup to the other browsers is no easy task. And the team is doing a great job trying to modernize IE9.
- mishmash 16y ago> IE9 is an amazing step-up from IE8 so far and I think we should all be patting them on the back. A boss once told me "you don't get rewarded for doing your job - you get paid." :)
- jodrellblank 16y agoMy boss screamed at his phone today. I wondered if he realised he'd just set all the employees on edge and lost maybe 2+ person-hours of work for the rest of the day - traded for the momentary release of an angry outburst. Similarly, your boss might have been technically correct, but a boss who would rather be right, make a point and potentially knock your morale, than boost your morale for free should really be rethinking his approach, IMO.
- ghurlman 16y agoSure, but you don't work for that guy anymore, do you?
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- ck2 16y agoFascinating what a multi-billion dollar software company can finally do when they have some motivation from competition. Now just allow it to run on the millions of Windows XP installs who have modern hardware but don't need Vista/W7.
- buro9 16y agoNo. Don't keep XP alive, it's insecure and dangerous.
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- listic 16y agoProof, please.
- nailer 16y agoIt's pretty well known apps under XP don't need to ask users for permission to perform privileged actions, unlike Vista, Linux, or OS X.
- Dylan16807 16y agoDefaulting to running directly as admin is a settings flaw, not a problem with the underlying security system.
- nailer 16y agoYes, and poor defaults are a problem with the OS.
- thomasfl 16y agoYay, IE9 supports rounded corners and drop shadow in CSS. Things like that certainly makes it suck a lot less when adjusting css styles made for webkit to work on IE as well.
- swombat 16y agoUntil IE9 supports auto-updates down the wire, like Chrome, it is as bad as IE6. IE6 was a great browser when it came out. It took years to become the horrible monster we know it to be. If IE9 doesn't auto-update, all it can achieve is the same success as IE6.
- csomar 16y agoIt updates with Windows Update. So if you set your Windows updates to 'automatic', your browser will get automatically updates.
- snprbob86 16y agoNote: this only applies to security updates. Windows Update divides updates into three categories: Critical, Recommended, and Optional. Critical and Recommended updates are installed automatically by default. Many enterprises choose to control Recommended updates manually at the group policy level; some even control critical updates with group policy. Major revisions of Internet Explorer have traditionally been delivered as optional updates.
- halo 16y agoMicrosoft shipped both IE7 and IE8 as critical updates.
- snprbob86 16y agoNot a chance. Silently rolled out security updates? Maybe. But general purpose auto-updating behavior? Nope. Predicability is a key motivator for enterprises to use Microsoft software. Convincing businesses to standardize on a particular IE version inside their organizations grants Microsoft a key sales differentiator: "If you use our competitors' software, you'll need to permanently retain an engineering staff to deal with an ever changing platform." If you're an internet startup, Microsoft's position sounds insane, but consider the stance of tech-ignorant governments and corporations. Yeah, ideally, they should have engineering teams and utilize them to optimize their businesses. Realistically, they don't know how. If you ask me: the standardizations bodies need to step in here. Let <!DOCTYPE HTML> be the wild west, but declare a deadline for all browsers to work on their HTML 5 implementations. When that deadline passes, all browsers would have a small window of time to release a version which handles <!DOCTYPE HTML5> as a stable, non-changing rendering engine. Then developers could opt into a stable platform, or the wild west. Enterprises could develop internal tools with a fixed doctype and browser venders could pledge support for those rendering engineers. Internet startups could stay on the bleeding edge and play the upkeep game.
- lini 16y agoToo bad that with this platform preview they concentrated on adding new features and the whole browser is pretty unstable. I keep getting errors with third party libraries (jQuery 1.4) and controls. Sometimes the errors are pretty funny, e.g.: SCRIPT5022: Exception thrown and not caught Waiting for the beta....
- zemoo 16y agoThat's probably the issue with the JS standard they discuss here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/07/16/how-ie9-platform-preview-feedback-changed-the-javascript-standard.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/07/16/how-ie9-platfo...