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If you got all your information from this article you would be surprised that, for example, 82% of Americans have a favorable view of Google. It's like the old

by lacker 9y ago

If you got all your information from this article you would be surprised that, for example, 82% of Americans have a favorable view of Google. It's like the old school media is trying to manufacture negative opinions of the new school. https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-approval-ratings-best-apple-facebook-twitter/ https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-approval-ratings-best-appl...

theWatcher37 9y ago
I mean, i’m Extremely hostile towards “old media” and my opinion towards google is highly negative. If anything, there is probably a strong correlation between liking google and trusting old media.
- thesmallestcat 9y ago
  Why? Because of you and your horse sense?
edu 9y ago
Old media has been trying to create a negative image of the new media (internet & videogames) for the last 20 years.
whyenot 9y ago
That survey is more than 5 years old. A lot can change in 5 years.
- oh-kumudo 9y ago
  5 years ago, even HN looks at Google relatively favorably. Proof, Google Reader is still alive at that time, and Google Plus is not there yet. Comparing to now, it is like heaven and hell.
mindcrime 9y ago
It's like the old school media is trying to manufacture negative opinions of the new school. It very much feels like this. I mean, maybe I live in a bit of a bubble as a techie, but I just don't see people (even among my very non-techie friends / acquaintances) saying "Wow, WTF is wrong with (Google|Facebook|Amazon|Microsoft|Instagram|Snapchat|Uber|$Whoever)?" OTOH, plenty of those same people are very critical of (CNN|MSNBC|Washington Post|NY Times|Fox News|ABC|NBC|CBS|etc). Honestly, I am starting to feel like this "tech backlash" storyline is fabricated and phony. Dare I say... #FakeNews? :-)
- confounded 9y ago
  Are you suggesting that the NYT is faking its own editorial view point?
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  - chickenfries 9y ago
    David Brooks... supports the media?! Gasp. GP fails to distinguish between news and editorial, which this article is.
    - y4mi 9y ago
      a lot of people stopped making a distinction between the two. That's probably another source for the trouble we've got with the so called fake news, because a lot of said "news" actually isn't news, but well written opinion pieces.
      - mindcrime 9y ago
        but well written opinion pieces Or poorly written crap opinion pieces. In the end, it doesn't really matter if it's well-written or not, if something is opinion posing as news, it contributes to the problem.
    - mindcrime 9y ago
      I don't think that's particularly relevant in this context. Of course I can only speak for myself and what I said, but I can speculate on what I think the parent of my post was thinking, and both are something roughly like "this is just one more example of an ongoing thread of reporting, both 'editorial' and 'news', which is pushing a specific narrative regarding the tech industry and popular perception of same". In that regard, that this specific article is an op-ed is an insignificant detail. Even more so when the author writes it as though he was reporting "news" and not just an opinion. I mean, you get stuff like this: Not long ago, tech was the coolest industry. Everybody wanted to work at Google, Facebook and Apple. But over the past year the mood has shifted. Note how that's presented as an affirmative statement of an absolute fact. and Some now believe tech is like the tobacco industry — corporations that make billions of dollars peddling a destructive addiction. Some believe it is like the N.F.L. — something millions of people love, but which everybody knows leaves a trail of human wreckage in its wake. OK, nice use of the weasel word "some", but still, this read like he's reporting facts, not an opinion. And so on.
chickenfries 9y ago
> If you got all your information from this article you would be surprised that, for example, 82% of Americans have a favorable view of Google. Really? All the article says is that "some" people have developed more critical views of tech. Is that not true? It's not just the NYT. Look at HBO's Silicon Valley. Did you see the way that tech companies were criticized in the Senate over Russian election interference? It's everywhere. Also, if you're going to call into question the motivation behind this article without actually criticizing any of their points, I hope you won't mind me pointing out that your bio says you're the founder of Parse and of course worked at Facebook.

by lacker 9y ago

theWatcher37 9y ago

I mean, i’m Extremely hostile towards “old media” and my opinion towards google is highly negative. If anything, there is probably a strong correlation between liking google and trusting old media.

thesmallestcat 9y ago
Why? Because of you and your horse sense?

edu 9y ago

Old media has been trying to create a negative image of the new media (internet & videogames) for the last 20 years.

whyenot 9y ago

That survey is more than 5 years old. A lot can change in 5 years.

oh-kumudo 9y ago
5 years ago, even HN looks at Google relatively favorably. Proof, Google Reader is still alive at that time, and Google Plus is not there yet. Comparing to now, it is like heaven and hell.

mindcrime 9y ago

confounded 9y ago
Are you suggesting that the NYT is faking its own editorial view point?
- deleted 9y ago
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- chickenfries 9y ago
  David Brooks... supports the media?! Gasp. GP fails to distinguish between news and editorial, which this article is.
  - y4mi 9y ago
    a lot of people stopped making a distinction between the two. That's probably another source for the trouble we've got with the so called fake news, because a lot of said "news" actually isn't news, but well written opinion pieces.
    - mindcrime 9y ago
      but well written opinion pieces Or poorly written crap opinion pieces. In the end, it doesn't really matter if it's well-written or not, if something is opinion posing as news, it contributes to the problem.
  - mindcrime 9y ago
    I don't think that's particularly relevant in this context. Of course I can only speak for myself and what I said, but I can speculate on what I think the parent of my post was thinking, and both are something roughly like "this is just one more example of an ongoing thread of reporting, both 'editorial' and 'news', which is pushing a specific narrative regarding the tech industry and popular perception of same". In that regard, that this specific article is an op-ed is an insignificant detail. Even more so when the author writes it as though he was reporting "news" and not just an opinion. I mean, you get stuff like this: Not long ago, tech was the coolest industry. Everybody wanted to work at Google, Facebook and Apple. But over the past year the mood has shifted. Note how that's presented as an affirmative statement of an absolute fact. and Some now believe tech is like the tobacco industry — corporations that make billions of dollars peddling a destructive addiction. Some believe it is like the N.F.L. — something millions of people love, but which everybody knows leaves a trail of human wreckage in its wake. OK, nice use of the weasel word "some", but still, this read like he's reporting facts, not an opinion. And so on.

chickenfries 9y ago

> If you got all your information from this article you would be surprised that, for example, 82% of Americans have a favorable view of Google. Really? All the article says is that "some" people have developed more critical views of tech. Is that not true? It's not just the NYT. Look at HBO's Silicon Valley. Did you see the way that tech companies were criticized in the Senate over Russian election interference? It's everywhere. Also, if you're going to call into question the motivation behind this article without actually criticizing any of their points, I hope you won't mind me pointing out that your bio says you're the founder of Parse and of course worked at Facebook.