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As someone who is not in the US and will not suffer any negative consequences of this, I'm interested to see what will happen. We know the catastrophe hypothes
by jfaucett 9y ago
As someone who is not in the US and will not suffer any negative consequences of this, I'm interested to see what will happen. We know the catastrophe hypothesis - ISPs will throttle content, customers will lose badly, innovation will plummet, etc. We also know people outside the tech field disagree with that and some seem to think the opposite could happen [1].
Honestly, I wish our societies would do way more experimental policy i.e. do away with policy like Net Neutrality on a smaller scale for instance, for some cities, counties or states and analyze, evaluate, and iterate.
Test it, have the states and/or cities cooperate. Why not? Its like taking a step in gradient descent you're trying to find a local minimum and you have to try things to know what direction to move in.
Why does it seem almost all major policy in the US (and the world for that matter) is either let's force it down on everyone from a federal level or just let states decide but have no strategic plan for evaluation, test, and iteration going forward?
[1]. https://www.forbes.com/sites/washingtonbytes/2017/07/12/bringing-economics-back-into-the-net-neutrality-debate/#f57e69369da1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/washingtonbytes/2017/07/12/brin...
- the_cat_kittles 9y agoare you a paid troll? what good comes from selective throttling?
- Spivak 9y agoJust as an example, not getting shit internet speeds around 7:30 when everyone turns on Netflix.
- jquery 9y agoI remember my former large apartment building’s internet slowing to a crawl everyday around this time.
- imtringued 9y agoWe need batteries for internet traffic the same way we need batteries for renewable energy...
- jquery 9y agoPlease don’t call people shills on HN. That’s very rude. Selective throttling has worked great to make my t-mobile mobile data usage seamlessly switch between email, websites, and video on an “unlimited” plan. They even doe sample my videos to 480p to save bandwidth unless I vpn. So there’s one non-trolly example of innovation that has made my life better that net neutrality would prevent. I do not buy the doomsday scenarios. We started with AOL internet and moved to a freer internet over time, all without net neutrality.
- couchand 9y agoYou are fooling yourself if you think that this won't affect you just because you don't live in the US.
- jfaucett 9y ago> You are fooling yourself if you think that this won't affect you just because you don't live in the US. You're right of course. Economies are chaotic dynamical systems. Precisely, what I meant was "there is a high probability that I will suffer less from immediate externalities associated with this policy than those living in the US.". Thus, my risk in the near term is lower, and my assumption is that if it doesn't work that in the long term my country won't copy the mistake. I could be completely wrong here as well, but anyway my main point was about policy methodology.
- el_benhameen 9y ago>will not suffer any negative consequences of this Sure, you won't initially have to pay higher prices for un-throttled traffic, but don't think for a second that there won't be knock-on effects on innovation and consumer choice that affect everyone on the internet.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> As someone who is not in the US and will not suffer any negative consequences of this I think you've under-considered the political aspect of centralized control of online media by incumbent players of a similar political bent in the US and the effect that has beyond the US, as well as the degree to which the money to be made in the US—and thus US market conditions—effect globally-available internet services.