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Much of Microsoft's historical behaviour was objectionable. Amazon, however, has been troubling on a much deeper level from the beginning. Their attitude towar
by whatyoucantsay 9y ago
Much of Microsoft's historical behaviour was objectionable. Amazon, however, has been troubling on a much deeper level from the beginning.
Their attitude towards labour has been nothing short of Dickensian. I'm not speaking so much of their habit of writing dystopian employment contracts and turning to legal intimidation when employees leave, though that is also a problem, as I am of their treatment of lower paid staff. Refusing dock workers adequate rest, hydration or cooling is indefensible.
However impressive the accomplishments and intellect of Mr. Bezos may be, we can no longer hold any faith he or Amazon will bow to even minimal concerns of human decency. The only levers are the threat of financial and regulatory consequences. The further Amazon's power places them beyond such levers the more dangerous they become.
https://www.salon.com/2014/02/23/worse_than_wal_mart_amazons_sick_brutality_and_secret_history_of_ruthlessly_intimidating_workers/ https://www.salon.com/2014/02/23/worse_than_wal_mart_amazons...
> The series revealed the lengths Amazon was prepared to go to keep costs down and output high and yielded a singular image of Amazon’s ruthlessness—ambulances stationed on hot days at the Amazon center to take employees suffering from heat stroke to the hospital. Despite the summer weather, there was no air-conditioning in the depot, and Amazon refused to let fresh air circulate by opening loading doors at either end of the depot—for fear of theft. Inside the plant there was no slackening of the pace, even as temperatures rose to more than 100 degrees.
> On June 2, 2011, a warehouse employee contacted the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration to report that the heat index had reached 102 degrees in the warehouse and that fifteen workers had collapsed. On June 10 OSHA received a message on its complaints hotline from an emergency room doctor at the Lehigh Valley Hospital: “I’d like to report an unsafe environment with an Amazon facility in Fogelsville. . . . Several patients have come in the last couple of days with heat related injuries.”
It's also worth adding that Amazon eventually did retrofit their facilities with cooling devices but only after their practices drew international media coverage.
- redwood 9y agoThe Amazon Camperforce is such an interesting thing to me http://www.amazondelivers.jobs/about/camperforce/ http://www.amazondelivers.jobs/about/camperforce/
- collyw 9y agoWhile this is terrible, is it worse than say Apple who offshore much of their labor costs to places with far worse standards?
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoApple only outsources (technically not offshoring, since it isn’t done in the same company) it’s manufacturing, almost all of its R&D is still done states side (better than Google or Microsoft, who have substantial overseas R&D operations, though not necessarily in low cost countries).
- lttlrck 9y agoDoes it need to be worse? Both need improvement.
- collyw 9y agoDid I say otherwise?
- tinus_hn 9y agoFor some reason it’s always things happening at the ‘Apple factory’ but in reality these are megafactories that produce the items sold by just about every consumer electronics company, like Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Logitech and many others.
- collyw 9y agoSue, but Apple are the most obvious example with definite examples of this.
- tryingagainbro 9y agoShould Apple provide US style standards and pay for labor in China?
- ori_b 9y agoDepends if you believe that safe work environments are human rights, or just for Americans.
- Mountain_Skies 9y agoWonder how long they can go on like that. They tried to recruit me a few years ago but I ignored them because I didn't like what I has heard about them plus I didn't want to move to Seattle. After a few weeks I received an angry email demanding I explain my lack of response even though they initiated contact. I wonder if HQ2 isn't as much about finding a new talent pool that they haven't yet peed into as it is about swimming in the public treasury. I'm really curious what happens to them should there be a large reduction in work visas available. No doubt they'd open development centers around the globe but that's going to be a much different course of action than their apparent preference for handling software labor.