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> No exotic carmaker will be able to match it. Did you fact check that? Actually, Bugatti is pretty close and partially outperforms, although at a way higher p

by Jdam 9y ago

> No exotic carmaker will be able to match it. Did you fact check that? Actually, Bugatti is pretty close and partially outperforms, although at a way higher price point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Chiron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Chiron

adventured 9y ago
Musk did note those are (supposedly) the base specs of course. So the higher cost versions may surpass the Bugatti accordingly.
King-Aaron 9y ago
Not to mention that once the benchmark is set, everyone competes to break it. See: Hennessy Supercars
- ardit33 9y ago
  Any car that has less than 100 of produced units, it just exotic car prototypes territory. If you can't really go an buy one, does it matter? It is not a real 'production' car. "Venom GT "World's Fastest Edition" (2014)[edit] Is a limited (3 units) version of the Venom GT coupe commemorating the Venom GT coupe's 0–300 km/h Guinness World Record. The vehicle went on sale for US$1.25 million.[14] All three units were sold to customers shortly after their production was announced by the manufacturer."
  - King-Aaron 9y ago
    This is true, though it's not really my point... Once someone sets a new benchmark, it will get broken. I doubt that all advancements in performance cars will stop here..
ardit33 9y ago
Yes. The Chiron matches it in speed, but not acceleration. 1.9s vs 2.4s to 60mph. Since the roadster has a 250+ mph figure, the tires are probably going to be one of the limiting factors. (same with the Chiron). " The Chiron can accelerate from 0–97 km/h (60 mph) in 2.4 seconds according to the manufacturer,[4] 0–200 km/h (120 mph) in 6.5 seconds and 0–300 km/h (190 mph) in 13.6 seconds. In a world-record-setting test, Chiron reached 400 km/h (250 mph) in 32.6 seconds, after which it needed 9.4 seconds to brake to standstill.[14] The Chiron's top speed is electronically limited to 420 km/h (261 mph) for safety reasons.[2] The anticipated full top speed of the Bugatti Chiron is believed to be around 463 km/h (288 mph)."
- gsnedders 9y ago
  Chiron is traction limited for most of its run; I presume to beat the Chiron's time the Tesla Roadster has better tyres for initial grip.
  - sundvor 9y ago
    Most likely a lot more weight.
  - sago 9y ago
    > Chiron is traction limited for most of its run This sounds very dubious, unless it has negative aerodynamic downforce. Even then, the times for each successive mph drop off too fast for it to be traction limited. Even F1 cars are not traction limited for more than a brief spell of straight-line acceleration. Aero drag dominates very quickly. Cornering or braking, on the other hand...
    - baq 9y ago
      The Veyron had little downforce when put into suicide mode, right?
    - gsnedders 9y ago
      From memory, I remember seeing something claiming that the Chrion's 0–60 and 60–0 times were identical.
      - sago 9y ago
        That's doubly fishy, since it has an airbrake. [My caveat on this, I'm not a road-car enthusiast, so I'm just deducing. But I used to work in motor racing, mostly bikes. Based on the standard of reporting I saw about stuff I did know well, I don't trust the motor press on tech claims.]
  - LoSboccacc 9y ago
    Lighter tires as rolling at 400kph+ is not a requirement and a fraction of the interiors
lisper 9y ago
Matching the price is part of what "match it" means.
justicezyx 9y ago
Near 10x the price... I think OP unconsciously factor in the price.
kimjongman 9y ago
Bugatti is fat and slow
TaylorGood 9y ago
The Chiron also has an MSRP of $2.6m
tigershark 9y ago
I wouldn't call 1600Nm of torque over 2k rpm pretty close to 10000Nm flat...
- mfgmfg 9y ago
  1600Nm is the engine torque for the Chiron. The 10000Nm value Tesla gave is the wheel torque. You need to multiply the 1600Nm by the gear ratio to get the wheel torque.
sgt 9y ago
The first thing I did was to compare against the Dodge Demon SRT and sure enough, I think overall the Tesla Roadster beats it. If you go to Dodge's website, they boast the claim "Fastest Production Car from 0-100 mph", with a little note saying "Excludes non-mass production vehicles and hybrids/electric."
jpitz 9y ago
The Chiron is an order of magnitude more expensive, and still fails to be quicker.
- efraim 9y ago
  But the Chiron exist today.

by Jdam 9y ago

adventured 9y ago

Musk did note those are (supposedly) the base specs of course. So the higher cost versions may surpass the Bugatti accordingly.

King-Aaron 9y ago

Not to mention that once the benchmark is set, everyone competes to break it. See: Hennessy Supercars

ardit33 9y ago
Any car that has less than 100 of produced units, it just exotic car prototypes territory. If you can't really go an buy one, does it matter? It is not a real 'production' car. "Venom GT "World's Fastest Edition" (2014)[edit] Is a limited (3 units) version of the Venom GT coupe commemorating the Venom GT coupe's 0–300 km/h Guinness World Record. The vehicle went on sale for US$1.25 million.[14] All three units were sold to customers shortly after their production was announced by the manufacturer."
- King-Aaron 9y ago
  This is true, though it's not really my point... Once someone sets a new benchmark, it will get broken. I doubt that all advancements in performance cars will stop here..

ardit33 9y ago

Yes. The Chiron matches it in speed, but not acceleration. 1.9s vs 2.4s to 60mph. Since the roadster has a 250+ mph figure, the tires are probably going to be one of the limiting factors. (same with the Chiron). " The Chiron can accelerate from 0–97 km/h (60 mph) in 2.4 seconds according to the manufacturer,[4] 0–200 km/h (120 mph) in 6.5 seconds and 0–300 km/h (190 mph) in 13.6 seconds. In a world-record-setting test, Chiron reached 400 km/h (250 mph) in 32.6 seconds, after which it needed 9.4 seconds to brake to standstill.[14] The Chiron's top speed is electronically limited to 420 km/h (261 mph) for safety reasons.[2] The anticipated full top speed of the Bugatti Chiron is believed to be around 463 km/h (288 mph)."

gsnedders 9y ago
Chiron is traction limited for most of its run; I presume to beat the Chiron's time the Tesla Roadster has better tyres for initial grip.
- sundvor 9y ago
  Most likely a lot more weight.
- sago 9y ago
  > Chiron is traction limited for most of its run This sounds very dubious, unless it has negative aerodynamic downforce. Even then, the times for each successive mph drop off too fast for it to be traction limited. Even F1 cars are not traction limited for more than a brief spell of straight-line acceleration. Aero drag dominates very quickly. Cornering or braking, on the other hand...
  - baq 9y ago
    The Veyron had little downforce when put into suicide mode, right?
  - gsnedders 9y ago
    From memory, I remember seeing something claiming that the Chrion's 0–60 and 60–0 times were identical.
    - sago 9y ago
      That's doubly fishy, since it has an airbrake. [My caveat on this, I'm not a road-car enthusiast, so I'm just deducing. But I used to work in motor racing, mostly bikes. Based on the standard of reporting I saw about stuff I did know well, I don't trust the motor press on tech claims.]
- LoSboccacc 9y ago
  Lighter tires as rolling at 400kph+ is not a requirement and a fraction of the interiors

lisper 9y ago

Matching the price is part of what "match it" means.

justicezyx 9y ago

Near 10x the price... I think OP unconsciously factor in the price.

kimjongman 9y ago

Bugatti is fat and slow

TaylorGood 9y ago

The Chiron also has an MSRP of $2.6m

tigershark 9y ago

I wouldn't call 1600Nm of torque over 2k rpm pretty close to 10000Nm flat...

mfgmfg 9y ago
1600Nm is the engine torque for the Chiron. The 10000Nm value Tesla gave is the wheel torque. You need to multiply the 1600Nm by the gear ratio to get the wheel torque.

sgt 9y ago

The first thing I did was to compare against the Dodge Demon SRT and sure enough, I think overall the Tesla Roadster beats it. If you go to Dodge's website, they boast the claim "Fastest Production Car from 0-100 mph", with a little note saying "Excludes non-mass production vehicles and hybrids/electric."

jpitz 9y ago

The Chiron is an order of magnitude more expensive, and still fails to be quicker.

efraim 9y ago
But the Chiron exist today.