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The Tesla roadster specs are insane! No exotic carmaker will be able to match it (taking price as a consideration). (no Ferrari, or Lambo, can get that close.
by ardit33 9y ago
The Tesla roadster specs are insane! No exotic carmaker will be able to match it (taking price as a consideration). (no Ferrari, or Lambo, can get that close. This is Formula 1 acceleration speeds).
Plus 620 miles of range, and it is a 4 seater. Expensive as hell, but this is exotic car territory.
Base Specs
Acceleration 0-60 mph1.9 sec
Acceleration 0-100 mph4.2 sec
Acceleration 1/4 mile8.8 sec
Top SpeedOver 250 mph
Wheel Torque 10,000 Nm
Mile Range 620 miles
Seating 4
Drive All-Wheel Drive
Base Price $200,000
Base Reservation $50,000
Founders Series Price $250,000
Founders Series Reservation
(1,000 reservations available)$250,000
- glandium 9y agoI wonder at what speed you get that range. Those specs are in Bugatti Veyron league, even beating it at acceleration (for 1/8 the price tag), but at full speed, the Veyron empties its full tank in... 12 minutes. I'll let you calculate how many miles that is at 250mph.
- taneq 9y agoI seem to recall reading that the Veyron's tyres will disintegrate after 15 minutes at top speed, but that's OK because it only carries fuel for 12 minutes.
- chrisper 9y agoAlso I wonder how many times you can accelerate like that... maybe only once with full charge?
- lathiat 9y agoThe Model S can seemingly do it quite often, Tesla Racing Channel does it quite a bit. You will thermal limit at some point but having twice the battery capacity is probably helping there.
- DennisP 9y agoThe Porsche CEO has been sorta claiming that but it doesn't make sense to me. The kinetic energy of your car at a given speed is the same, regardless of how fast you accelerated to get to that speed. Do batteries waste more energy when you drain them faster? They can't waste a large portion of battery capacity, because the heat from that much energy getting wasted would blow up the car.
- chrisper 9y agoAt a given speed, the energy is the same. But to get the car going it takes significant energy.
- DennisP 9y agoIt takes more power to accelerate faster but the total change in kinetic energy is the same either way. Any energy consumption that doesn't go into the final kinetic energy is going into waste heat, and there can't be too much of that without melting things.
- chrisper 9y agoYou are right... hmm
- throwaway76543 9y agoDrag. Recall, wind resistance is proportional to the square of velocity. The vast majority of energy goes into overcoming drag, even at regular highway speeds. Remember when we capped speed limits at 55mph during the '70s energy crisis? We did so because fuel efficiency really starts to drop off at faster speeds. 250mph is very, very far up this curve. Wikipedia has a nice graph to illustrate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart_MPG_to_L-100km_v2009-10-08.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart_MPG_to_L-100km_v200...
- DennisP 9y agoTrue, I was just thinking about quick accelerations to reasonable highway speeds, which is what the Porsche guy was talking about.
- tudorconstantin 9y ago1 fifth of those 250 miles: 50 miles
- LoSboccacc 9y agoMost of the car do since tank is sized to fuel consumption and full throttle petrol eat a lot of fuel - even a smart can reach 2km to the liter flat out and I know my alfa tank would only last 15 minutes give or take from the figures I got lapping at Monza
- Jdam 9y ago> No exotic carmaker will be able to match it. Did you fact check that? Actually, Bugatti is pretty close and partially outperforms, although at a way higher price point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Chiron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Chiron
- adventured 9y agoMusk did note those are (supposedly) the base specs of course. So the higher cost versions may surpass the Bugatti accordingly.
- King-Aaron 9y agoNot to mention that once the benchmark is set, everyone competes to break it. See: Hennessy Supercars
- ardit33 9y agoAny car that has less than 100 of produced units, it just exotic car prototypes territory. If you can't really go an buy one, does it matter? It is not a real 'production' car. "Venom GT "World's Fastest Edition" (2014)[edit] Is a limited (3 units) version of the Venom GT coupe commemorating the Venom GT coupe's 0–300 km/h Guinness World Record. The vehicle went on sale for US$1.25 million.[14] All three units were sold to customers shortly after their production was announced by the manufacturer."
- King-Aaron 9y agoThis is true, though it's not really my point... Once someone sets a new benchmark, it will get broken. I doubt that all advancements in performance cars will stop here..
- ardit33 9y agoYes. The Chiron matches it in speed, but not acceleration. 1.9s vs 2.4s to 60mph. Since the roadster has a 250+ mph figure, the tires are probably going to be one of the limiting factors. (same with the Chiron). " The Chiron can accelerate from 0–97 km/h (60 mph) in 2.4 seconds according to the manufacturer,[4] 0–200 km/h (120 mph) in 6.5 seconds and 0–300 km/h (190 mph) in 13.6 seconds. In a world-record-setting test, Chiron reached 400 km/h (250 mph) in 32.6 seconds, after which it needed 9.4 seconds to brake to standstill.[14] The Chiron's top speed is electronically limited to 420 km/h (261 mph) for safety reasons.[2] The anticipated full top speed of the Bugatti Chiron is believed to be around 463 km/h (288 mph)."
- rippsu 9y agothis is just the base model
- 0xbear 9y agoToo bad it can’t maintain that performance for any extended period of time. Battery is known to overheat if you drive it too hard.
- zippergz 9y agoI’m no Tesla defender, but how is anything “known” about a car that was first announced a couple of hours ago?
- 0xbear 9y agoIt’s physics, there’s no way around it. You expend a ton of energy——battery heats up. Without massive radiators there’s nowhere for that heat to go.
- paganel 9y agoYou get voted down by people who just want to believe stuff, physics be damned. Doesn't matter that the same exact thing happens to the existing S models which manage a more than decent 0-to-60 performance on paper (they're in the same league with the Lambos and the Ferraris), but because of those damned physics I don't think that any of them actually completed a Nurburgring lap (that's ~7 km driving the S model like a sports car).
- sooheon 9y agoReally? Are you saying 7 mins of hard driving will render it literally unable to continue?
- 0xbear 9y agohttps://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/ https://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurbu.... Not “unable to continue” perhaps, but unable to deliver a sports car-like performance.
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- dfee 9y agoNow if only the folks in front of me would accelerate from the on ramp to the highway at more than 45mph.
- srigi 9y agoI think there are less than 10 commercially available cars models that can do 0-60 mph within 2s.
- dayaz36 9y agoThere are zero. Roadster is the first and only.
- kmonsen 9y agoThere are still zero for now, one in planned production.
- rockinghigh 9y agoNo cars under 2s and about 20-30 under 3s.
- Darthy 9y agoApparently, currently there are none: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_car...
- dmead 9y agoacceleration rates. acceleration speeds is like, kinda sort grammatically incorrect.
- dwaltrip 9y agoIt's grammatically correct, but conceptually incorrect (sorry, it's always fun to correct a correction :)
- grkvlt 9y agoThey're both incorrect, I think. Acceleration rate would be the rate of change of the rate of change of speed, or what is known as 'jerk' in engineering. I guess that would be the time that it takes to go from 0 to the '0-60 in 1.8s' acceleration? The correct term is simply 'acceleration' on its own.
- dmead 9y agoalls i'm saying is that if anyone wrote "acceleration speed" on reports in high school physics class they'd get points off. acceleration is a kind of rate.
- maytc 9y agoRidiculous...
- Neil44 9y agoPaper stats are one thing but show me this beating even something like a GT3 in an actual circuit race, or posting a Nurburgring time worthy of the price tag. I’m sure in another 5 or 10 years they’ll get there but these figures are for headlines not the track.
- muwaisaac 9y agoI'd like to see motor trend test it on the track and against competitors
- thinkloop 9y agoAre you saying that the numbers aren't true, or that it has other weaknesses that would cause it to lose a race?
- Natanael_L 9y agoOverheating. Like previous models, it likely can't cool down the engines and batteries fast enough to sustain that power output.
- Neil44 9y agoThink of it this way, if some server or database came out claiming incredible benchmark numbers you’d say okay now show me some real world workloads. Same here. 0-60 is an artificial benchmark, a circuit time is a real world workload.
- mrep 9y agoThey already have a test car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3380&v=aXWfL-1ieuE https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3380&v=aXWfL-1ie... I'm pretty sure they aren't making it up.
- Neil44 9y agoI haven't said they're making up the 0-60 time. I'm saying show me a test against the competition that lasts for longer than 1.9 seconds. Don't get me wrong it's a deeply impressive vehicle. I'm just not an Elon fanboy and the precise milisecond that what Porsche, McLaren et. al. customers want something like that is when they will start making it. It's not like one company is the future and the rest of them are dinosaurs. One company is small and loosing money and the others are making it, enough of it to buy Tesla any time they feel like it, which being realistic is what's going to happen eventually.
- Gupie 9y agoCan it corner?
- neya 9y ago10,000 NM of torque. That's INSANE. I drive a car with 400NM torque and that thing scares the sh*t out of me when I accelerate. 10,000 NM? Isn't that something along the lines of a tram or a train (I'm not sure, I'm asking you guys). This is CRAZY. I'm getting one for sure.
- aerovistae 9y agomay i ask what you do for a living
- mmjaa 9y agoIf you can afford one of these cars, you probably don't do anything for a living.
- grkvlt 9y agoI'd suggest the exact opposite - if you can afford one of these cars, you must be working very hard at be very good at whatever you do for a living.
- Sohcahtoa82 9y agoI work in cybersecurity. I'll have to set money aside for a couple years to make a considerable down payment, but I might be able to afford one of these.
- danappelxx 9y agoI had the same thought [0]! They cite their wheel torque, not their engine torque, which is what we're all used to seeing. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15719411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15719411
- JulianMorrison 9y agoIn electric cars, isn't it basically the same?
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- pwdisswordfish 9y agoSeriously? I'm 90% sure this will NOT reach Lambo times in Nordschleife. And as a sports car, it will 100% not be fun to drive, weight is everything in a quick small car for fun.
- Shinchy 9y agoI would reserve judgement on that top speed claim until we see it for real.
- jon_richards 9y agoAh, but do the doors go like this ^(o_o)^ or like this \(o_o)/ not like this <(o_o)>
- JulianMorrison 9y agoO_o
- marshall13 9y agoYour comment made everybody in the office laugh
- narvind 9y agoNow that seems like a good place to work!
- ErikVandeWater 9y agoYeah where can I get paid to read HN?
- Danihan 9y agoLiterally anywhere.
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- azeirah 9y ago¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- wlesieutre 9y agoHBO's Silicon Valley reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIAOosI6js https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIAOosI6js
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- dogma1138 9y agoYes tho the Maclaren does comes closer as far as spec goes for about the same price (720s is £208,000 in the UK). The top speed would be the interesting part how long can it actually sustain it.
- in3d 9y agoSounds really good on paper but the production is scheduled for 2020, so it’s unfair to compare it to the cars currently on the market. No other manufacturers announce cars so far ahead so it seems at least partly like a hype for Tesla investors. Acceleration is just one part of what makes a great sports car. And how is the acceleration past 100 mph? That’s the traditional weakness of electric cars and it matters more on the track. How about its weight, brakes, turning, steering feel, grip, suspension, weight distribution (it should be quite good), downforce? Will the battery last for a full track day? Of course sound has always been a very important part of what made sports cars exhilarating to drive and Tesla can’t compete there. And the design and brand matter too. Ferrari and Lamborghini don’t make $40k cars (or even $100k cars).
- mtgx 9y ago> No other manufacturers announce cars so far ahead Surely, you're joking? Virtually every carmaker has announced a whole bunch of electric cars for 2020-2021 (without giving nearly as many details or demoing the cars already). And that's discounting their "concept cars".
- in3d 9y agoWith their acceleration stats that cause all the excitement?
- brandon272 9y agoFord announced their Bronco a while back that isn’t available til the 2020 model year.
- semi-extrinsic 9y ago> And how is the acceleration after 100 mph? This. If you're buying a supercar to actually drive on a track, this is key. Any specs relating to what happens below 100 mph are worthless. If you spend any significant percentage of time going so slow, you need to spend ~$8k on a BMW E36 M3 instead, and learn how to drive. But if you buy a supercar mainly to park in front of Harrods, 0-60 time is... still worthless.
- icc97 9y agoFrom Wikipedia's F1 page [0]: > The 2016 F1 cars have a power-to-weight ratio of 1,400 hp/t (1.05 kW/kg). Theoretically this would allow the car to reach 100 km/h (62 mph) in less than 1 second. However the massive power cannot be converted to motion at low speeds due to traction loss and the usual figure is 2.5 seconds to reach 100 km/h (62 mph) Even adjusting for 60 mph = 2.4s, I don't see how the traction of the Tesla is better. Formula-E cars are doing 0-62 it in 3s [1]: > An average Formula E car has a power of at least 250 horsepower (190 kW). The car is able to accelerate from 0–100 km/h (0–62 mph) in 3 seconds, with a maximum speed of 225 km/h (140 mph) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car#Acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car#Acceleration [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_E#Car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_E#Car
- fludlight 9y agoPer your links, the minimum permissible weight of an F1 car is 731kg including the driver, but not fuel. For FE it is 800kg. The 2011 Tesla Roadster weighed 1235kg, sans driver. The 2011 Bugatti Veyron 1834kg. The very long range also suggests that this car will weigh considerably more than the old Roadster. Maybe there is an improvement to traction with all that extra weight? Or maybe the weight just helps with keeping the wheels on the ground at 250mph?
- vlehto 9y agoActually the opposite. You get less traction with more weight due to "load sensitivity" of viscoelastic materials (= rubber).
- warpdude 9y agoTraction control has been banned in F1 since 2008, so this severely limits how quickly they can start from a standstill. The tires themselves certainly have enough grip to handle the acceleration; F1 cars routinely hit several lateral Gs in cornering (though with the help of downforce), well exceeding the ~1.4G required to accelerate to 60 in 1.9s.
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- zerostar07 9y agoI doubt these high-end manufacturers will let this unanswered until 2020.
- lafar6502 9y agofor most, the powerpoint is as good as a car in hand this guy is just collecting money on Kickstarter. Nobody needs this car and nobody really wants to make it. Will they have to?
- andrepd 9y agoAcceleration is not all that matters. I'm going to hold until a hands-on driving test before I make such claims as "best sports car on the market" and "no Ferrari can compete".
- lafar6502 9y agospecs insane, but the car doesnt exist anyway, who cares, it's not something people would buy
- netsec_burn 9y agoLook at every other comment in this thread. There are real videos of it on YouTube.
- dsfyu404ed 9y agoGM could probably release an EV 'vett-like car that puts down similar numbers if they cared to invest the money to do so. Building fast cars that are a little rougher in finish but can hold their own on the track compared to cars that cost a few times as much is kind of their thing. The teams that work on the Bolt are probably crossing their fingers for this.
- simplyluke 9y agoNo exotic maker will match it with internal combustion. Mclaren, Porsche, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, BMW M division are all in the process of producing electric sports cars. I don't think Tesla is holding any technology that makes other makers with a lot more racing experience unable to match their performance.
- rohit2412 9y ago> No exotic carmaker will be able to match it (taking price as a consideration). (no Ferrari, or Lambo, can get that close. This is Formula 1 acceleration speeds). None of them will? Why? Has Tesla got some trade secret?