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How much do you really care if their marketing department is aggressive? Isn't it better that GitLab is open source and a reasonably good member of the OSS com

How much do you really care if their marketing department is aggressive? Isn't it better that GitLab is open source and a reasonably good member of the OSS community? Honestly I don't even count those stats as false; Jenkins feels super old and the context weirdness ("Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository") actually makes sense. If this is the trade to support OSS, it's way better than building a shadow surveillance state under the guise of profit via advertising revenue.

sandworm101 9y ago
>>> if their marketing department is aggressive? Telling lies /= aggressive. Where advertising makes claims that are objectively false they should be called out. This isn't 'puffing' or hyperbolic opinion. This is saying X is Y. That these lies are in support of an agenda with which many here might agree does not matter.
- cisanti 9y ago
  Sorry to burst your bubble but advertising is always lying and shilling.
  - Xylakant 9y ago
    That makes it even more important to call it out.
  - rkangel 9y ago
    No, it's really not. Pages I have open: In the jobs boxout on StackOverflow I'm pretty confident that McLaren Applied Technologies is looking a lead C#/.NET developer. On another page, the UK Mobile network '3' is offering 12Gb for the price of 4Gb. I know that's true because I took them up on it (and even for 4Gb it's still cheaper than any other network). I could provide many other counter-examples but I don't need to because you used 'always' in your absolutist statement. Yes, a lot of advertising twists the truth. No, not everything does. And for things that we hold to a higher standard (like a great open source project like Gitlab) we can point out places where they don't meet that standard in the (not unrealistic) hope that they'll improve.
    - asfdsfggtfd 9y ago
      > I'm pretty confident that McLaren Applied Technologies is looking a lead C#/.NET developer. Are you certain? Maybe they have an internal promotion but company policy/legal compliance forces them to advertise the role publicly? > On another page, the UK Mobile network '3' is offering 12Gb for the price of 4Gb. I know that's true because I took them up on it (and even for 4Gb it's still cheaper than any other network). How long for? Is this one of those contracts where it is 3 for 1 for a year then double price next year... NB I'm absolutely not accusing either of these specific companies of being dishonest.
- seqastian 9y ago
  pretending everything is black and white and painting everyone who makes a non complete statement as liar, is what lead to the current political misery.
  - dominotw 9y ago
    > what lead to the current political misery. Oh no. Not this shit again!. Not every story has to have some sort of philosophical link to trump winning the election.
- dominotw 9y ago
  yea brushing it off as "aggressive" is ironic Considering how their CEO goes around touting honesty as one their main traits[1] as a company. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654
- RadioactiveMan 9y ago
  It's not a lie. They linked right to an elaboration of that statement.
  - kelnos 9y ago
    Sure, but the link text is deliberately misleading. The stat "3/4 of all enterprises", on its own, is patently false. The fact that you can click the link to "fix" the lie is irrelevant.

sandworm101 9y ago

>>> if their marketing department is aggressive? Telling lies /= aggressive. Where advertising makes claims that are objectively false they should be called out. This isn't 'puffing' or hyperbolic opinion. This is saying X is Y. That these lies are in support of an agenda with which many here might agree does not matter.

cisanti 9y ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but advertising is always lying and shilling.
- Xylakant 9y ago
  That makes it even more important to call it out.
- rkangel 9y ago
  No, it's really not. Pages I have open: In the jobs boxout on StackOverflow I'm pretty confident that McLaren Applied Technologies is looking a lead C#/.NET developer. On another page, the UK Mobile network '3' is offering 12Gb for the price of 4Gb. I know that's true because I took them up on it (and even for 4Gb it's still cheaper than any other network). I could provide many other counter-examples but I don't need to because you used 'always' in your absolutist statement. Yes, a lot of advertising twists the truth. No, not everything does. And for things that we hold to a higher standard (like a great open source project like Gitlab) we can point out places where they don't meet that standard in the (not unrealistic) hope that they'll improve.
  - asfdsfggtfd 9y ago
    > I'm pretty confident that McLaren Applied Technologies is looking a lead C#/.NET developer. Are you certain? Maybe they have an internal promotion but company policy/legal compliance forces them to advertise the role publicly? > On another page, the UK Mobile network '3' is offering 12Gb for the price of 4Gb. I know that's true because I took them up on it (and even for 4Gb it's still cheaper than any other network). How long for? Is this one of those contracts where it is 3 for 1 for a year then double price next year... NB I'm absolutely not accusing either of these specific companies of being dishonest.
seqastian 9y ago
pretending everything is black and white and painting everyone who makes a non complete statement as liar, is what lead to the current political misery.
- dominotw 9y ago
  > what lead to the current political misery. Oh no. Not this shit again!. Not every story has to have some sort of philosophical link to trump winning the election.
dominotw 9y ago
yea brushing it off as "aggressive" is ironic Considering how their CEO goes around touting honesty as one their main traits[1] as a company. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654
RadioactiveMan 9y ago
It's not a lie. They linked right to an elaboration of that statement.
- kelnos 9y ago
  Sure, but the link text is deliberately misleading. The stat "3/4 of all enterprises", on its own, is patently false. The fact that you can click the link to "fix" the lie is irrelevant.