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Hopefully most of the missing extensions will be developed sooner rather than later. I have 15 extensions installed, 14 of which are "Legacy". The most critica

• Vinnl 9y ago
  > to get a menu bar back for Bookmarks Is that something other than the "Bookmarks Toolbar" or the "Menu Bar" (which includes a bookmarks drop-down) that I can enable by right-clicking on the empty space in the toolbar?
  • cptskippy 9y ago
    I'm not sure what he's talking about either. I just upgraded and shockingly my menubar/bookmarks configuration was preserved. It looks a little tight but it's still arranged how I had it.
    • Vinnl 9y ago
      This might be too much for you, but if it's looking too tight, note that there's also a Density menu at the bottom in the customisation screen that lets you widen the interface (including, presumably, the bars).
      • cptskippy 9y ago
        I have my density set to compact, changing it affects the vertical space of everything except the bookmarks and menu bars. They remain incredibly tight.
        • Vinnl 9y ago
          That sounds like something that shouldn't happen! Care reporting it to them? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
  • infogulch 9y ago
    I desperately wish FF showed the bookmarks bar on the new tab page like Chrome does. It makes bookmarks infinitely more usable for me.
• TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
  I found it a good opportunity to reëvaluate which extensions I'm actually using. Most of them I wasn't.
  • barrkel 9y ago
    For one reason or another, I reinstall an OS every couple of years or so, and start out with a fresh Firefox instance. I invariably end up with the same 14 or 15 extensions (delta is due to Linux work laptop vs Windows home PC). I use them all, but obviously my reliance on them follows the 80:20 rule.
    • DiThi 9y ago
      I had them all synced for several years, surviving several data-losing crashes. I realized how I didn't actually use most of them.
• itaris 9y ago
  It's worth noting that most legacy extensions still actually work. You just need to enable them.
  • sleepychu 9y ago
    They prevent you from using the modern features though.
  • sp332 9y ago
    That might be true for this release, but Firefox has committed to moving away from XUL. That means your extensions are guaranteed to break eventually.
  • mccr8 9y ago
    You can't enable them in the release version of Firefox. You'd have to use Nightly, I believe.
• DiThi 9y ago
  Hopefully now there will be many developers with an itch they must scratch. Tree Style Tabs was the main blocker for me too.
  • digi_owl 9y ago
    That itch is perhaps better scratched over at Pale Moon, though i worry that even it is doomed...
• eoger 9y ago
  Have a look here [0] for legacy extensions replacements. [0] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFcEXMcKrwoIAECIVyBU0GPoSmRqZ7A0VBvqeKYVSww/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFcEXMcKrwoIAECIVyBU...
  • discreditable 9y ago
    The one extension I'm missing (which has been broken since e10s) is cliget: https://github.com/zaidka/cliget https://github.com/zaidka/cliget
    • jeroenhd 9y ago
      FYI: Firefox (and other browsers as well I think) already have built-in functionality for generating a cURL command with all the headers and cookies included. In the dev tools, you can right-click on a request in the "network" tab and click Copy > Copy as cURL. Sadly, this only works for requests you haven't already done with the dev tools open and it doesn't generate wget commands, but you might get some use out of this while the add-on is being updated.
      • discreditable 9y ago
        This is my workaround for now, but Copy as cURL doesn't preserve the output filename given by the server. Not to mention it's a bit of a pain in the butt.
        • tmzt 9y ago
          Adding -O usually takes care of that. I'm using curl with -L -O over wget now. Are you missing having it in the context menu?
          • discreditable 9y ago
            The download prompt mostly. Although the context option was sometimes useful it wasn't very reliable. Sites often don't give you direct links to download files that the context menu would help with.
• plopz 9y ago
  Unfortunately, I don't think theres ever going to be a Classic Theme Restorer equivalent that works going forward. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1328244 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1328244
  • KozmoNau7 9y ago
    A lot of that stuff is built into the browser, for people who care to look through the customization options and possibly do a tiny bit of about:config tweaking.
  • electrotype 9y ago
    Have a look at https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx , it can do many things, even if it's not a perfect Classic Theme Restorer replacement.
• IChrisI 9y ago
  Tree Style Tabs was the only blocker for me, and I was amazed that it was possible to recreate under the new API. I use both Firefox and Chrome, but for very different purposes. In Chrome, I have 20-50 tabs spread across two windows. In Firefox, 400+. Tree Style Tabs is necessary for how I use Firefox. My backup plan was staying on an older version, possibly indefinitely.
  • acjohnson55 9y ago
    I was also very, very concerned about Tree Style Tabs. It's one of the main differentiators Firefox has for me over Chrome. Very happy it's mostly been preserved. I really only care about having my tabs on the side, not necessarily the nesting.
    • tetraca 9y ago
      I personally find the nesting excellent because I am a junkie that opens 90 tabs at a time meandering through the internet and it gives a way to trace my context/history.
  • KozmoNau7 9y ago
    400 tabs? 400? I'm sorry if I sound a little condescending, but have you considered using bookmarks instead? I cannot even imagine a workflow where four flippin' hundred active tabs are needed.
    • detaro 9y ago
      You can be almost certain that people using hundreds of tabs have considered bookmarks and didn't find a better workflow using them, yes. (Personally, I believe a good bookmark-like system could solve most reasons I have many tabs. But I neither know what exactly that'd look like nor do I want to spend the time developing it, so tabs it is)
    • barrkel 9y ago
      Trees collapse, and typically represent recursive exploration of some particular area, and can act as a kind of task list or reading list. You collapse the tree when you're not actively drilling into that topic. Combine with a solid session manager (I use Session Manager) to back them up regularly, and they fill in a third space between an open tab and a bookmark: something you only want to visit once, some time in the next few days / weeks, and have no desire to keep around longer than that.
• andrepd 9y ago
  The WebEx Tree Style Tabs is markedly inferior to the "Legacy" version. It is simply an integral and indispensable part of my workflow, so much that I can't even fathom browsing without it. I guess I'll stay on 56 for a while.
  • DiThi 9y ago
    What problems do you have with the new version?
    • louiz 9y ago
      - Open a new window: the tabs are not there by default - You need a css hack to hide the standard bar - There’s an ugly title thingy at the top of the tab pane
      • DiThi 9y ago
        > Open a new window: the tabs are not there by default It's not ideal but not a showstopper for me. I mostly use one window, where the toolbar is restored by default, and when I open a new window I got used to clicking the toolbar button (which I moved to the left) or pressing F1. > You need a css hack to hide the standard bar > There’s an ugly title thingy at the top of the tab pane I just copied the "css hack" once and forgot. The last item is solved the same way. For those who don't know: Inside the profile folder (with a name like "xxxxxxxx.default"), create a folder called "chrome", and a file inside called "userChrome.css" with the following content: #TabsToolbar, #sidebar-header {visibility: collapse !important;} #TabsToolbar {margin-bottom: -21px !important;} IMHO It's quick enough to do and I believe this won't be needed in a few months.
        • baby 9y ago
          Thanks! Here's how I did it on macOS: 1. Go to about:support in Firefox URL bar. 2. the address is in "Profile Folder" row.
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• neilsimp1 9y ago
  I'm using Tile Tabs WE now instead of Tile Tabs, since that no longer works. Tile Tabs WE does it's tiling by opening new windows as a workaround, but I feel like that kind of misses the point. Does anyone know of any alternative? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tile-tabs-we/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tile-tabs-we/
  • tmzt 9y ago
    Ironically more Servo features could actually make this work better than the XUL version, such as supporting GL/CSS 3 transforms on the <webbrowser> components. Take a look at Servo's current UI for how this could work. Of course this doesn't help much with Quantum in its current state.
  • yborg 9y ago
    According to the dev, a version that would work more or less like the original is waiting on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1318532 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1318532 which apparently has implementation but has been cockblocked for 3+ months by somebody in the review chain.
• eumenides1 9y ago
  To see tree style tabs updated so early is a so important to me. I've even got the non-technical SO on tree style tabs, they consider the browser broken if the add-on isn't working.
  • pixelbeat__ 9y ago
    I don't see how to disable yhe existing horizontal tab bar though? Now I have both that and tree style :/
    • SAI_Peregrinus 9y ago
      You'll need a custom userChrome.css @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } You probably want to enable the menu bar if you do this, to stop the minimize/maximize/close buttons from overlapping the menu & other buttons on the right top corner.
      • fasquoika 9y ago
        >keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul Pretty amusing tbh
    • eumenides1 9y ago
      There is no OOB way to do it ATM, you need to modify the userChrome.css. see below for more details. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/736cji/how_to_hide_native_tabs_in_firefox_57_tree_style/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/736cji/how_to_hide...
• chippy 9y ago
  This new release is all about attracting new users to FF from Chrome. It will hurt those of us who actively have been using and living with Firefox. In time, they say, they will bring back the various APIs for the extensions (although it's still "might" and there's no timeline yet) - so in the meantime, if you liked FF for it's customisation, we just have to suck it up. It's similar to when Ubuntu moved to Unity and attracted all the new users but pissed off all the existing userbase. We should expect a big backlash when all the linux repos get updated and the power users release they have a degraded experience.
  • Max_Mustermann 9y ago
    Plenty of us have been using and living with Firefox without using one of the deprecated functions of XUL, or using them minimally. For those of us this release has been fantastic, and I'd wager we make up a considerably larger proportion of the userbase.
    • Lev1a 9y ago
      First off: Ich mag deinen Nutzernamen. Second: I agree with your point that most of the userbase is most likely not running some weird addons that are hooked into the internals of FF via the old API. I actually suspect a rather significant portion of the userbase is running at most one of the handful of variants of ad- and/or scriptblocker.
  • Indolat 9y ago
    > This new release is all about attracting new users to FF from Chrome. And I'm actually thinking of switching from Firefox to Chrome now.
  • mook 9y ago
    It looks like some distros are going to take a bit of time to get Firefox >52 because of rust dependencies. They're definitely working on it, at least.
• myfonj 9y ago
  Take a look at Waterfox [0] fork (at the moment based on Firefox 55). Just successfully ported my ancient Firefox profile to it and all circa 20 legacy extensions are alive and kicking. Author seems to be willing to port features from Firefox trunk while preserving legacy features [1]. [0] https://www.waterfoxproject.org/ https://www.waterfoxproject.org/ [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/79mwsc/waterfox_with_xpcom/ https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/79mwsc/waterfox_w...
• m1r0 9y ago
  There is a similar plugin(like Tree style tabs) for Chrome - Tabs Outliner https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggk... I was a Firefox zealot before they decided to go in this direction. For me Chrome does all the things FF does but much faster(at the moment).
  • yellowapple 9y ago
    Looks like it still uses a separate window, which is less than ideal, for me at least.
  • baby 9y ago
    this plugin is bad. What is Chrome doing seriously :/ I've tried it a decade ago and it was still the same shit.
• urlwolf 9y ago
  Argh, it dropped one feature that I loved: clicking on current tab does a ctrl tab.
• nextos 9y ago
  And thankfully Vimperator is getting ported to: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tridactyl-vim/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tridactyl-vim... Very basic functionality already works.
• zeveb 9y ago
  > Hopefully most of the missing extensions will be developed sooner rather than later. The API is still missing the ability to implement some things, which is preventing developers from supporting the latest Firefox. I won't upgrade until Keysnail is able to run.
• jandrese 9y ago
  You don't need a plugin to get the menu bar back, you can just do (tap alt) View->Toolbars->Menu Bar, at least in FF56. I don't know for certain if that option still exists in FF57, but I hope it does. I've been turning the menubar back on in Firefox for ages now. It's really dumb to hide it IMHO because they never used that space for anything else. It was just useless blank space.
• karrotwaltz 9y ago
  Alright. Is anyone else here using Firefox's master password and found a solution in FF57? I have been using Master Password+ extension for a very long time, but without it using a master password is hell. I had a lot of other modules, but this one was the reason I was still using firefox. The annoying password prompt taking focus like popups in IE every time you open the navigator or a website you are not logged in is just crazy. It is annoying enough that I am asking myself if anyone at Mozilla even using Firefox accounts and master passwords. Does anyone have a nice sync alternative to firefox accounts that include bookmarks and passwords (and it would be even better if I can sync using a git repo)
  • sfink 9y ago
    Sorry, I don't follow. I'm on Nightly (the 58-to-be) and I have Firefox configured to use a master password. It seems to come up once per session -- are you shutting down your browser constantly or something? I'm a little confused as to what specifically you don't like. (The one time it comes up is pretty jarring, I'll agree.)
    • karrotwaltz 9y ago
      I don't care about having to enter my password once at home. I care much more about having my navigator at work (which syncs all my personal accounts, including bank & government) being unlocked all day long, and much more when I'm not the only one to have admin access to my machine. 57 hasn't been released long enough for me to tell how it'll go... but when I dismiss the prompt once I don't want it to go modal every time firefox tries to sync or every time I click a link on a page I'm not logged in.
• baby 9y ago
  Tree Style Tabs is freaking slow since Firefox 57 unfortunately :/
• nisse72 9y ago
  I'm using tree style tabs, but now I have both tabs in a sidebar (where I want it) and conventional tabs along the top. WTF? If anyone can see how to disable the tab bar at the top, please enlighten me!
  • kadal 9y ago
    https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/issues/1525#issuecomment-344372874 https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/issues/1525#issuecomm...
• SAI_Peregrinus 9y ago
  Tree Style Tabs has been updated to a WebExtension.[1] Getting a menu bar no longer needs an extension, you can just right-click in the blank areas near the address bar and select "menu bar". uMatrix can control and spoof Referer sending (I'm unfamiliar with RefControl, so this may not be exactly the same.) Self Destroying Cookies[2] is a good way to keep cookies under control, though again I'm not familiar with the addon you mentioned. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies-1/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destruct...
  • Merad 9y ago
    So, dumb question (maybe), but how do you get tree style tabs to install? I'm running FF 57 but that page says it's incompatible because I'm running FF 51. I checked and the user agent string being sent is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20170125 Firefox/51.0;
    • SAI_Peregrinus 9y ago
      Stop spoofing your user agent string, install it, then resume spoofing. It should be Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:57.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/57.0 by default for Firefox 57 on Windows 7 64-bit
      • milofeynman 9y ago
        I believe privacy.resistFingerprinting = true spoofs user agent. Does anyone know if there is an addon or to whitelist which pages you don't want it spoofed on?
      • Merad 9y ago
        I have never (to my knowledge) done anything to change the user agent. I dug around in about:config and discovered that general.useragent.override somehow got set. Edit: Something is resetting that override every time the browser starts. Dunno what, the only addons I run are uBlock and RES (and now TST). Edit 2: It was being set in user.js. No idea how it got there...
• piyush_soni 9y ago
  For me it's the Tab Groups add-on which is just irreplaceable! Firefox's "Containers" helps a bit but not that much.
  • _lce0 9y ago
    The TagGroups is so part of my daily basis that I went back to the v56.0 I cannot stress enough how it helps me to switch between contexts. It's one of those things that you just did not know that you needed so much. What options do we have?
    • piyush_soni 9y ago
      None that I know of. What helped me the most about Tab Groups was not just the tabs organization, but the face that I could create regular expressions so that a new page would automatically open in its own tab group (and everything else in one 'Default' tab group). That was a killer feature!
  • _JamesA_ 9y ago
    Another Tab Groups user here. Between Tab Groups and Tab Mix Plus for a multi-line tab bar I have to seriously redesign my workflow. I could live with Tree Style Tab if it could nest tabs on the horizontal tab bar. I run FF on a portrait 1200x1920 screen and the vertical sidebar takes up too much space.
• sandstrom 9y ago
  Moving to WebExtensions (a shared standard for extensions in Chrome/Firefox/Edge/Opera/etc) is good. Much easier for extension developers (most extensions are unpaid open-source work) to support for multiple browsers. To track the conversion progress for a particular extension, have a look here: https://arewewebextensionsyet.com/ https://arewewebextensionsyet.com/