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I'd love an actually decent competitor to Youtube.

by CottageCarry 9y ago

rumblestrut 9y ago
Vimeo?
- kevinnk 9y ago
  Facebook and vid.me as well. And twitch for streaming.
- Dirlewanger 9y ago
  Vimeo isn't, and doesn't want to be, a YouTube competitor.
savanaly 9y ago
I mean, I want the improvement in quality that usually comes with competition, but I don't actually want there to be competition. Does anyone really relish the idea of having to search multiple sites for a given video because you don't know or can't remember which one it's on, and having to have an account and different set of uploader subscriptions for Youtube A, B and C? And remember where the subscribe button is on A vs. B and does C support changing video speed or not? etc. Just one platform is a massive, MASSIVE perk of the current system.
- ISL 9y ago
  Remember RSS feeds? :).
- mark_l_watson 9y ago
  Good point. I split the eBooks I buy between Kindle, Google Books, and Apple iBooks. I do this to not put all my digital purchases in one basket, support competition, and sometimes take advantage of sales. It is a nuisance. But, even though you make a good point, I disagree in the sense that I would like to see other services like Vimeo gain market share to balance things out. Trouble is, it is difficult for other services to compete with ‘free.’
- ajdlinux 9y ago
  Indeed. Really I want a decentralised system where I have my cake and eat it too, with a single mechanism for accessing my content while also not giving a single company control over and profit from the entire industry. Oh, and this hypothetical decentralised system has to, well, not completely suck. Which means it's never going to happen.
- lkrubner 9y ago
  Maybe there could be a search engine that finds videos on all video sites, and shows them according to some well-tested algorithm, without any bias? Oh, but the owners of such a search engine would need to be entirely neutral and unbiased. For instance, they should not also be owners of a video site that they would like to promote. It's been a long time since the USA Justice Department went after a company for having a vertical monopoly, but this is a reminder of why vertical monopolies can inhibit innovation, just as much as horizontal ones.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  Yeah, just like you don't really want to have more than one company hosting text on the web. Imagine the mess it would be if there were more than one company hosting text on the web! It's a massive perk of the current system that all text that is published on the web is hosted at the web hosting company! But, quite seriously, I think we have a massive problem on our hands if even people who frequent hacker news just aren't aware of the concepts of standards and interoperability anymore, that a monopoly seems to be perceived as the only way to achieve integration at the user experience level. Want to have more than one TV channel with a common user interface? Obviously, all TV channels need to be owned by one company! Want to have more than one appliance with a common electricity supply infrastructure? Obviously, all appliances need to be provided by the one electricity supplier! Want to have more than one newspaper in the same language and alphabet? Obviously, all newspapers and their common language and alphabet need to be owned by one company! Want people all around the planet to be able to talk to each other remotely? Obviously, all telephones and telephone networks need to be owned and operated by one company! I'd really like to understand how this thinking managed to take hold, given that it seems to be so obviously fallacious to me.
ikiris 9y ago
It's as if twitch, amazon, and 5 million porn sites didn't exist.
- wavefunction 9y ago
  Those aren't really Youtube though. I can go on youtube to listen to music or watch a video on rebuilding a carburetor self-published by some random guy, or catch a movie trailer, or even publish my own videos.
  - indigo0086 9y ago
    You can get money directly from the viewers with twitch, therefore making it far superior than YouTube. The idea that YouTube is monopoly because people are to afraid of moving to other options is silly
    - ajdlinux 9y ago
      Twitch is a video gaming streaming service. YouTube is a general video service. Twitch isn't superior.
    - Buge 9y ago
      You can get money directly from viewers on youtube too. https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2017/09/a-new-way-to-earn-money-with-youtube.html https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2017/09/a-new-way-to... https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7277005 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7277005
warent 9y ago
Nobody is going to mention DailyMotion?
deleted 9y ago
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blarrrble 9y ago
Youtube isn't doing anything incredible or unique on the UX side. The myriad high quality pornography video sites readily prove this, by competitively offering pretty top notch experiences on a diversity of platforms. It's just that Youtube has an immense gravitational pull, that everyone likes and comes back for. At scale, no less, which is pretty tough when streaming video is such a demanding high bandwidth product.

I'd love an actually decent competitor to Youtube.

rumblestrut 9y ago

Vimeo?

kevinnk 9y ago
Facebook and vid.me as well. And twitch for streaming.
Dirlewanger 9y ago
Vimeo isn't, and doesn't want to be, a YouTube competitor.

savanaly 9y ago

I mean, I want the improvement in quality that usually comes with competition, but I don't actually want there to be competition. Does anyone really relish the idea of having to search multiple sites for a given video because you don't know or can't remember which one it's on, and having to have an account and different set of uploader subscriptions for Youtube A, B and C? And remember where the subscribe button is on A vs. B and does C support changing video speed or not? etc. Just one platform is a massive, MASSIVE perk of the current system.

ISL 9y ago
Remember RSS feeds? :).
mark_l_watson 9y ago
Good point. I split the eBooks I buy between Kindle, Google Books, and Apple iBooks. I do this to not put all my digital purchases in one basket, support competition, and sometimes take advantage of sales. It is a nuisance. But, even though you make a good point, I disagree in the sense that I would like to see other services like Vimeo gain market share to balance things out. Trouble is, it is difficult for other services to compete with ‘free.’
ajdlinux 9y ago
Indeed. Really I want a decentralised system where I have my cake and eat it too, with a single mechanism for accessing my content while also not giving a single company control over and profit from the entire industry. Oh, and this hypothetical decentralised system has to, well, not completely suck. Which means it's never going to happen.
lkrubner 9y ago
Maybe there could be a search engine that finds videos on all video sites, and shows them according to some well-tested algorithm, without any bias? Oh, but the owners of such a search engine would need to be entirely neutral and unbiased. For instance, they should not also be owners of a video site that they would like to promote. It's been a long time since the USA Justice Department went after a company for having a vertical monopoly, but this is a reminder of why vertical monopolies can inhibit innovation, just as much as horizontal ones.
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
Yeah, just like you don't really want to have more than one company hosting text on the web. Imagine the mess it would be if there were more than one company hosting text on the web! It's a massive perk of the current system that all text that is published on the web is hosted at the web hosting company! But, quite seriously, I think we have a massive problem on our hands if even people who frequent hacker news just aren't aware of the concepts of standards and interoperability anymore, that a monopoly seems to be perceived as the only way to achieve integration at the user experience level. Want to have more than one TV channel with a common user interface? Obviously, all TV channels need to be owned by one company! Want to have more than one appliance with a common electricity supply infrastructure? Obviously, all appliances need to be provided by the one electricity supplier! Want to have more than one newspaper in the same language and alphabet? Obviously, all newspapers and their common language and alphabet need to be owned by one company! Want people all around the planet to be able to talk to each other remotely? Obviously, all telephones and telephone networks need to be owned and operated by one company! I'd really like to understand how this thinking managed to take hold, given that it seems to be so obviously fallacious to me.

ikiris 9y ago

It's as if twitch, amazon, and 5 million porn sites didn't exist.

wavefunction 9y ago
Those aren't really Youtube though. I can go on youtube to listen to music or watch a video on rebuilding a carburetor self-published by some random guy, or catch a movie trailer, or even publish my own videos.
- indigo0086 9y ago
  You can get money directly from the viewers with twitch, therefore making it far superior than YouTube. The idea that YouTube is monopoly because people are to afraid of moving to other options is silly
  - ajdlinux 9y ago
    Twitch is a video gaming streaming service. YouTube is a general video service. Twitch isn't superior.
  - Buge 9y ago
    You can get money directly from viewers on youtube too. https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2017/09/a-new-way-to-earn-money-with-youtube.html https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2017/09/a-new-way-to... https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7277005 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7277005

warent 9y ago

Nobody is going to mention DailyMotion?

deleted 9y ago

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blarrrble 9y ago

Youtube isn't doing anything incredible or unique on the UX side. The myriad high quality pornography video sites readily prove this, by competitively offering pretty top notch experiences on a diversity of platforms. It's just that Youtube has an immense gravitational pull, that everyone likes and comes back for. At scale, no less, which is pretty tough when streaming video is such a demanding high bandwidth product.