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The tech is not there, actually. Facial recognition is absolute garbage. It borders on being completely useless even in ideal circumstances. Airports might h

The tech is not there, actually. Facial recognition is absolute garbage. It borders on being completely useless even in ideal circumstances. Airports might have a slight advantage since they have a list of people they expect to be present (people with upcoming flights) and such, but in my experience systems like what the TSA uses are obstinantly terrible. They most likely have a commercial product purchased from some vendor deployed in ways it was never meant to function with management types forcing everyone to ignore the utter uselessness of the solution. They're going to make their career on deploying the system regardless of whether it works or not.

danesparza 9y ago
"Facial recognition is absolute garbage." Yes. And so is a human's ability to predict who are good and bad actors in a given situation. The statistical mathematics is very deceiving to most people. See "Base rate fallacy" for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
rtkwe 9y ago
Making it slightly easier is that they have multiple points where a person is matched with a name during their time in the airport. With that and good enough coverage they could make the recognition better with continuous tracking. Even without an explicit name attached to a person just knowing all the places a person has gone could be useful for flagging 'weird' behavior.
- sitkack 9y ago
  How about using a VR display to give them a mediated representation of the world that constrains them to the allowed route? Put on the helmet and walk forward, looks like I was wandering down a beautiful meadow when I am really just walking to my gate. Objects would enter the VR world that you would need to avoid in the real one.
- libertyEQ 9y ago
  It's almost as if some people are taking the poor state of the technology being proposed as some challenge, when most of us simply do not want to live in a police state. Do. Not. Want.
gerbilly 9y ago
> Facial recognition is absolute garbage. The problem is that people believe it isn't garbage and give it more credibility than it deserves.
sitkack 9y ago
They should require voxel video of a subject going through various motions as part of the passport photo and or checkin process. Maybe updated automatically when you get your boarding pass. Have the user repeat various lines from a teleprompter while a time of flight camera records a 3d scan of their face. If the lines to be repeated are well crafted enough, the eye dilation and pulse response should determine if they are patriotic enough. Could automate much of the TSAs job. I never understood why they don't OOR (optical object recognition) the items going through the xray scanner. [0] Emotions via Eye Tracking http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.492.7801&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.492... [1] Eulerian Magnification http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/ http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/
- sova 9y ago
  Eye dilation and pulse response for determining patriotism!! Have you ever considered satire as a career path good sir?
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captaindiego 9y ago
Some lidar manufacturers are now working on trialing software (in airports and government building) which identifies people from pointclouds from many lidar units and tracks them. Fused with even poor facial recognition could make a quite powerful/scary tool.

danesparza 9y ago

"Facial recognition is absolute garbage." Yes. And so is a human's ability to predict who are good and bad actors in a given situation. The statistical mathematics is very deceiving to most people. See "Base rate fallacy" for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

rtkwe 9y ago

Making it slightly easier is that they have multiple points where a person is matched with a name during their time in the airport. With that and good enough coverage they could make the recognition better with continuous tracking. Even without an explicit name attached to a person just knowing all the places a person has gone could be useful for flagging 'weird' behavior.

sitkack 9y ago
How about using a VR display to give them a mediated representation of the world that constrains them to the allowed route? Put on the helmet and walk forward, looks like I was wandering down a beautiful meadow when I am really just walking to my gate. Objects would enter the VR world that you would need to avoid in the real one.
libertyEQ 9y ago
It's almost as if some people are taking the poor state of the technology being proposed as some challenge, when most of us simply do not want to live in a police state. Do. Not. Want.

gerbilly 9y ago

> Facial recognition is absolute garbage. The problem is that people believe it isn't garbage and give it more credibility than it deserves.

sitkack 9y ago

They should require voxel video of a subject going through various motions as part of the passport photo and or checkin process. Maybe updated automatically when you get your boarding pass. Have the user repeat various lines from a teleprompter while a time of flight camera records a 3d scan of their face. If the lines to be repeated are well crafted enough, the eye dilation and pulse response should determine if they are patriotic enough. Could automate much of the TSAs job. I never understood why they don't OOR (optical object recognition) the items going through the xray scanner. [0] Emotions via Eye Tracking http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.492.7801&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.492... [1] Eulerian Magnification http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/ http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/

sova 9y ago
Eye dilation and pulse response for determining patriotism!! Have you ever considered satire as a career path good sir?
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captaindiego 9y ago

Some lidar manufacturers are now working on trialing software (in airports and government building) which identifies people from pointclouds from many lidar units and tracks them. Fused with even poor facial recognition could make a quite powerful/scary tool.