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Richard Branson: In it for fun not just money

70 points by chegra 16y ago

harscoat 16y ago
The titled could have been 'In it for "stuff that matters" not just the money': "Most people feel that they can create something that is going to make a difference to other people's lives - that is how they start their businesses." Reminds of Tim O'reilly post "Work on stuff that matters" 1/sthg that matters to you more than money 2/ create more value than you capture 3/ take the long view http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/work-on-stuff-that-matters-fir.html http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/work-on-stuff-that-matters-...
ulf 16y ago
While I think his attitude is authentic to his younger years, it is still somewhat amusing to hear a billionaire talk about not being into something for the money...
- mseebach 16y ago
  If you're a billionaire, and you're still in it, you're NOT in it for the money, that's pretty obvious. Branson has FU money, and then some. He could retire and live very comfortably, but he's still working. Don't tell me he's motivated by being able to buy an even larger small country.
  - tortilla 16y ago
    He has FE (Fuck Everyone) money.
    - chegra 16y ago
      lol not everyone. SEC and FBI don't take that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Stanford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Stanford Allen Stanford 2.2 Billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson Richard Branson 2.6 Billion In the same league.
  - mrduncan 16y ago
    Branson has actually owned this island for decades: http://www.neckerisland.virgin.com/ http://www.neckerisland.virgin.com/
- philwelch 16y ago
  That sounds backwards to me. Young broke people worry a hell of a lot more about money than billionaires.
  - wlievens 16y ago
    "thinking about money" isn't necessarily the same as "worrying about money"
- dchs 16y ago
  I don't think so. Branson now has more money than he could spend - if he was just in it for the money he could have stopped a long time ago.
- smiler 16y ago
  He's not saying it's an either / or, he's saying it's an AND. Branson is well known for being a shrewd businessman and only looking to enter markets where he thinks he can compete and be financially successful. Consider his recent investment into Formua 1 racing. Last year he sponsored Brawn GP for the first few races for a paltry sum of money (because they were desperate). Due to the team being sold off by Honda and they came back from the brink and had the fastest car - he got a ton of free PR and decided not to invest more money because he didn't need to. This year he has created his own F1 team - Virgin Racing, and to save on costs the team are designing the car purely using CFD, whereas every other team are using windtunnels and building scale models and say you can't use CFD alone. Time will tell which one is proven right
Luff 16y ago
Thanks, I really needed to hear that right now. It might turn out to be bad advice, but I love getting excuses to do what I really want.
- TheSOB88 16y ago
  Why live your life if you're not doing what you love?
  - fmora 16y ago
    You were down to -1 points. Your phrase is awesome and try to live by it every day. The people that down voted you must be really screw up. I'm really curious as to why they would do that. What is it that bothers them so much about your phrase? They are probably old and bitter. Or maybe young and pessimistic. Who knows. If one of those persons that down voted this comment could shed some light as to why, it will be greatly appreciated. Of course, more than likely those same people are now going to down vote me.
    - runjake 16y ago
      Agreed. I upvoted you both out of spite for the dream killers.
    - gsk 16y ago
      Your comment and the parent's lack empathy for someone's circumstances. Also, you should just make your point and not worry too much about votes and points. I say this because, presumably, the implicit goal of a conversation is to understand rather than score points.
      - fmora 16y ago
        I thought it was pretty clear I was trying to understand why they didn't like the comment. It wasn't about the points but about why somebody would not like that quote. You only have one life, once you are dead, you are dead. So why not enjoy it by doing what you like? (As long as you follow the law of course, i.e. if you like hurting people then that is a no-no) Why would somebody dislike a comment like that? That is what I was trying to understand.
kitcar 16y ago
I am half way through Richard Branson's biography "Losing My Virginity" now and really recommend it to anyone who wants a fun read - http://www.amazon.com/Losing-My-Virginity-Survived-Business/dp/0812932293 http://www.amazon.com/Losing-My-Virginity-Survived-Business/... - He made a lot of REALLY bad business decisions (i.e. decisions which lost him lots of money) in the first 25 or so years running Virgin which is pretty good evidence that this blog post is not just PR. On an unrelated note, something else I learned from the book is his success was pretty much 100% due to a cousin of his from South Africa showing up in London unannounced and looking for a job - turns out that cousin had a great ear for "what's cool", which resulted in Virgin signing their first successful artist (a studio musician who hung out at one of their studios), whose record sales kept the company afloat for its first 10 years. Just goes to show you the importance of the right team - as well as being in the right place at the right time...
- jimbokun 16y ago
  "as well as being in the right place at the right time..." Just going by your statement that he "made a lot of REALLY bad business decisions...in the first 25 or so years," it seems like he was at a lot of different places at a lot of different times. This very much increases the probability of eventually being at one of the right places at one of the right times.
  - kitcar 16y ago
    To Clarify - in his book he makes it seem like if he never signed Miked Oldfeld (Tubular Bells), then the company would have gone bust in its first few years, and that 25 year period would never have happened. Hence, it was being in the right place at the right time once which allowed those future bad decisions to be made.
- jakarta 16y ago
  I read the book 2 years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy... My biggest takeaway from that book is he took an approach to entrepreneurship which emphasized low risk / high uncertainty ventures. For example, he started his business selling Virgin records by mail and used pre-orders to limit any real inventory risk. That gave him the cash flow to fund the eventual opening of the Virgin Record Store. Then later, when he decides to open an airline, he purposefully chooses to lease rather than buy planes. That lowered his initial capital outlay and made the risk of the airline going bust not so bad on his wallet. I think I also remember that he was really good at setting up his different companies using a holding co structure. I think that allowed him to segment out each business and made it so that the failure of one would not affect the others (esp. re financing). I also got the idea that he took a lot of small low risk bets. Taking his Virgin brand and simply applying it to pre-existing products (maybe even cola? I cant remember too well). Even the airline was already another airline I believe. So by applying his brand to a wide variety of products he was able to circumvent having to do a ton of R&D or heavy capital investments.
jacquesm 16y ago
I completely believe him. Whenever you see Branson in pictures he's always got this boyish grin on his face. That's more proof to me than anything else, he can't be in control of himself that much that he could fake that consistently. He's done some very dumb stuff knowing full well that it couldn't really hurt him just for the heck of it.
geuis 16y ago
Has anyone else noticed that in the article photo, what appears to be the Statue of Liberty behind him and the woman is leaning at something like 30 degrees?
- wolfhumble 16y ago
  This happen often in sailing :-) Mast bending over due to the wind, photographer compensating for this by tilting the camera.
  - geuis 16y ago
    I thought about that but if you notice, it's only the statue that leans. The island and all background objects are even with horizon.
    - fmora 16y ago
      Is probably the curvature of the edge of the lens causing that.
    - runjake 16y ago
      Fisheye lens effect.
    - wolfhumble 16y ago
      You are right, that looks pretty dramatic. Must be some kind of lense distortion as other posters are pointing out.
chegra 16y ago
Although they say Iron Man was patterned off of Elon Musk, the first person that came to mind when watching the movie was Branson.
- pgbovine 16y ago
  phew, you said movie ... i was about to say, when the comic first came out, Branson was probably still in diapers
KoZeN 16y ago
I suppose it really does come down to common sense. If you get into business specialising in something you have little to no passion about and you are unsuccessful then chances are you won't have enjoyed the process whereas if you are unsuccessful after attempting something you truly are passionate about then you will more than likely have enjoyed the process regardless. It reminds me of what my Dad used to tell me 'Do it because it makes you smile, not because it makes you money'.
aaronsw 16y ago
I'm curious if pg agrees. He sometimes presents startups as this extraordinarily painful chore, but my experience is more like Branson's.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  He wrote once that startups are fun in the way that doing survival training is fun - which is to say, not at all if it is not your thing. I tend to believe that. Edit: actual quote >rankly, though, if I've misled people here, I'm not eager to fix that. I'd rather have everyone think starting a startup is grim and hard than have founders go into it expecting it to be fun, and a few months later saying "This is supposed to be fun? Are you kidding?" The truth is, it wouldn't be fun for most people. A lot of what we try to do in the application process is to weed out the people who wouldn't like it, both for our sake and theirs. The best way to put it might be that starting a startup is fun the way a survivalist training course would be fun, if you're into that sort of thing. Which is to say, not at all, if you're not. http://www.paulgraham.com/really.html http://www.paulgraham.com/really.html
Aaronontheweb 16y ago
I'm sure owning a private island doesn't hurt either :p Branson's a fascinating character - that cover story Forbes ran a few years back about Branson and other successful people who were all afflicted with dyslexia really helped motivate my younger brother who has a really severe case, so for being a good role model for people like my brother he has my thanks.
- mcdowall 16y ago
  The story of how he bought Neckar Island is so compelling! The audacity of someone so young to offer $100,000 (if i recall correctly) for an island that was up for sale in the millions is such a great case of guts and bloody mindedness to succeed.
orblivion 16y ago
Sounds nice, but I'm somehow very wary of following this logic. Let's hear from the guy who's living paycheck to paycheck who did what was fun. Though maybe he's still happy too, who knows. Or maybe the guy who started doing it and then "wised up" in his 30s but then it was too late and he's stuck in a job that's more boring than what he could have had if he was more prudent with his career. God, I sound like my dad now. EDIT: Also, him saying that money is a detail only helps in the short run. I have the same attitude toward an interesting project I'm about to quit my job for, but I recognize that this "fun", as it were, will be very short lived if I don't have some revenue. So, trying for real and lasting a year is better than selling out, but finding a way to make money off of the "real" thing is necessary if it's going to last.

70 points by chegra 16y ago

The titled could have been 'In it for "stuff that matters" not just the money': "Most people feel that they can create something that is going to make a difference to other people's lives - that is how they start their businesses." Reminds of Tim O'reilly post "Work on stuff that matters" 1/sthg that matters to you more than money 2/ create more value than you capture 3/ take the long view http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/work-on-stuff-that-matters-fir.html http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/work-on-stuff-that-matters-...

ulf 16y ago

While I think his attitude is authentic to his younger years, it is still somewhat amusing to hear a billionaire talk about not being into something for the money...

mseebach 16y ago
If you're a billionaire, and you're still in it, you're NOT in it for the money, that's pretty obvious. Branson has FU money, and then some. He could retire and live very comfortably, but he's still working. Don't tell me he's motivated by being able to buy an even larger small country.
- tortilla 16y ago
  He has FE (Fuck Everyone) money.
  - chegra 16y ago
    lol not everyone. SEC and FBI don't take that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Stanford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Stanford Allen Stanford 2.2 Billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson Richard Branson 2.6 Billion In the same league.
- mrduncan 16y ago
  Branson has actually owned this island for decades: http://www.neckerisland.virgin.com/ http://www.neckerisland.virgin.com/
philwelch 16y ago
That sounds backwards to me. Young broke people worry a hell of a lot more about money than billionaires.
- wlievens 16y ago
  "thinking about money" isn't necessarily the same as "worrying about money"
dchs 16y ago
I don't think so. Branson now has more money than he could spend - if he was just in it for the money he could have stopped a long time ago.
smiler 16y ago
He's not saying it's an either / or, he's saying it's an AND. Branson is well known for being a shrewd businessman and only looking to enter markets where he thinks he can compete and be financially successful. Consider his recent investment into Formua 1 racing. Last year he sponsored Brawn GP for the first few races for a paltry sum of money (because they were desperate). Due to the team being sold off by Honda and they came back from the brink and had the fastest car - he got a ton of free PR and decided not to invest more money because he didn't need to. This year he has created his own F1 team - Virgin Racing, and to save on costs the team are designing the car purely using CFD, whereas every other team are using windtunnels and building scale models and say you can't use CFD alone. Time will tell which one is proven right

Luff 16y ago

Thanks, I really needed to hear that right now. It might turn out to be bad advice, but I love getting excuses to do what I really want.

TheSOB88 16y ago
Why live your life if you're not doing what you love?
- fmora 16y ago
  You were down to -1 points. Your phrase is awesome and try to live by it every day. The people that down voted you must be really screw up. I'm really curious as to why they would do that. What is it that bothers them so much about your phrase? They are probably old and bitter. Or maybe young and pessimistic. Who knows. If one of those persons that down voted this comment could shed some light as to why, it will be greatly appreciated. Of course, more than likely those same people are now going to down vote me.
  - runjake 16y ago
    Agreed. I upvoted you both out of spite for the dream killers.
  - gsk 16y ago
    Your comment and the parent's lack empathy for someone's circumstances. Also, you should just make your point and not worry too much about votes and points. I say this because, presumably, the implicit goal of a conversation is to understand rather than score points.
    - fmora 16y ago
      I thought it was pretty clear I was trying to understand why they didn't like the comment. It wasn't about the points but about why somebody would not like that quote. You only have one life, once you are dead, you are dead. So why not enjoy it by doing what you like? (As long as you follow the law of course, i.e. if you like hurting people then that is a no-no) Why would somebody dislike a comment like that? That is what I was trying to understand.

kitcar 16y ago

I am half way through Richard Branson's biography "Losing My Virginity" now and really recommend it to anyone who wants a fun read - http://www.amazon.com/Losing-My-Virginity-Survived-Business/dp/0812932293 http://www.amazon.com/Losing-My-Virginity-Survived-Business/... - He made a lot of REALLY bad business decisions (i.e. decisions which lost him lots of money) in the first 25 or so years running Virgin which is pretty good evidence that this blog post is not just PR. On an unrelated note, something else I learned from the book is his success was pretty much 100% due to a cousin of his from South Africa showing up in London unannounced and looking for a job - turns out that cousin had a great ear for "what's cool", which resulted in Virgin signing their first successful artist (a studio musician who hung out at one of their studios), whose record sales kept the company afloat for its first 10 years. Just goes to show you the importance of the right team - as well as being in the right place at the right time...

jimbokun 16y ago
"as well as being in the right place at the right time..." Just going by your statement that he "made a lot of REALLY bad business decisions...in the first 25 or so years," it seems like he was at a lot of different places at a lot of different times. This very much increases the probability of eventually being at one of the right places at one of the right times.
- kitcar 16y ago
  To Clarify - in his book he makes it seem like if he never signed Miked Oldfeld (Tubular Bells), then the company would have gone bust in its first few years, and that 25 year period would never have happened. Hence, it was being in the right place at the right time once which allowed those future bad decisions to be made.
jakarta 16y ago
I read the book 2 years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy... My biggest takeaway from that book is he took an approach to entrepreneurship which emphasized low risk / high uncertainty ventures. For example, he started his business selling Virgin records by mail and used pre-orders to limit any real inventory risk. That gave him the cash flow to fund the eventual opening of the Virgin Record Store. Then later, when he decides to open an airline, he purposefully chooses to lease rather than buy planes. That lowered his initial capital outlay and made the risk of the airline going bust not so bad on his wallet. I think I also remember that he was really good at setting up his different companies using a holding co structure. I think that allowed him to segment out each business and made it so that the failure of one would not affect the others (esp. re financing). I also got the idea that he took a lot of small low risk bets. Taking his Virgin brand and simply applying it to pre-existing products (maybe even cola? I cant remember too well). Even the airline was already another airline I believe. So by applying his brand to a wide variety of products he was able to circumvent having to do a ton of R&D or heavy capital investments.

jacquesm 16y ago

I completely believe him. Whenever you see Branson in pictures he's always got this boyish grin on his face. That's more proof to me than anything else, he can't be in control of himself that much that he could fake that consistently. He's done some very dumb stuff knowing full well that it couldn't really hurt him just for the heck of it.

geuis 16y ago

Has anyone else noticed that in the article photo, what appears to be the Statue of Liberty behind him and the woman is leaning at something like 30 degrees?

wolfhumble 16y ago
This happen often in sailing :-) Mast bending over due to the wind, photographer compensating for this by tilting the camera.
- geuis 16y ago
  I thought about that but if you notice, it's only the statue that leans. The island and all background objects are even with horizon.
  - fmora 16y ago
    Is probably the curvature of the edge of the lens causing that.
  - runjake 16y ago
    Fisheye lens effect.
  - wolfhumble 16y ago
    You are right, that looks pretty dramatic. Must be some kind of lense distortion as other posters are pointing out.

chegra 16y ago

Although they say Iron Man was patterned off of Elon Musk, the first person that came to mind when watching the movie was Branson.

pgbovine 16y ago
phew, you said movie ... i was about to say, when the comic first came out, Branson was probably still in diapers

KoZeN 16y ago

I suppose it really does come down to common sense. If you get into business specialising in something you have little to no passion about and you are unsuccessful then chances are you won't have enjoyed the process whereas if you are unsuccessful after attempting something you truly are passionate about then you will more than likely have enjoyed the process regardless. It reminds me of what my Dad used to tell me 'Do it because it makes you smile, not because it makes you money'.

aaronsw 16y ago

I'm curious if pg agrees. He sometimes presents startups as this extraordinarily painful chore, but my experience is more like Branson's.

tomjen3 16y ago
He wrote once that startups are fun in the way that doing survival training is fun - which is to say, not at all if it is not your thing. I tend to believe that. Edit: actual quote >rankly, though, if I've misled people here, I'm not eager to fix that. I'd rather have everyone think starting a startup is grim and hard than have founders go into it expecting it to be fun, and a few months later saying "This is supposed to be fun? Are you kidding?" The truth is, it wouldn't be fun for most people. A lot of what we try to do in the application process is to weed out the people who wouldn't like it, both for our sake and theirs. The best way to put it might be that starting a startup is fun the way a survivalist training course would be fun, if you're into that sort of thing. Which is to say, not at all, if you're not. http://www.paulgraham.com/really.html http://www.paulgraham.com/really.html

Aaronontheweb 16y ago

I'm sure owning a private island doesn't hurt either :p Branson's a fascinating character - that cover story Forbes ran a few years back about Branson and other successful people who were all afflicted with dyslexia really helped motivate my younger brother who has a really severe case, so for being a good role model for people like my brother he has my thanks.

mcdowall 16y ago
The story of how he bought Neckar Island is so compelling! The audacity of someone so young to offer $100,000 (if i recall correctly) for an island that was up for sale in the millions is such a great case of guts and bloody mindedness to succeed.

orblivion 16y ago

Sounds nice, but I'm somehow very wary of following this logic. Let's hear from the guy who's living paycheck to paycheck who did what was fun. Though maybe he's still happy too, who knows. Or maybe the guy who started doing it and then "wised up" in his 30s but then it was too late and he's stuck in a job that's more boring than what he could have had if he was more prudent with his career. God, I sound like my dad now. EDIT: Also, him saying that money is a detail only helps in the short run. I have the same attitude toward an interesting project I'm about to quit my job for, but I recognize that this "fun", as it were, will be very short lived if I don't have some revenue. So, trying for real and lasting a year is better than selling out, but finding a way to make money off of the "real" thing is necessary if it's going to last.