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> Why do they warn us 2 weeks after the fact ? Agreed, concealing these informations for so long is deeply troubling. I'm not againt the nuclear at all, but gi

by doe88 9y ago

> Why do they warn us 2 weeks after the fact ? Agreed, concealing these informations for so long is deeply troubling. I'm not againt the nuclear at all, but given the potential risks, the transparency ought to be maximal, and again and again we are observing a lot of opacity.

seszett 9y ago
It wasn't concealed at all, it hit the news in France in beginning of October. Maybe it wasn't picked up by foreign media then. The news here is the results of the investigation, showing the probable origin of the contamination after weather analysis.
- doe88 9y ago
  You're absolutely right, I stand corrected, they seem to have released some information as early as 10/4/17. http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Pages/20171004_Detection-ruthenium-106-en-europe.aspx http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Pages/201...
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    April? No, for all those outside USA the date of the article is 4/10/17, ie 4 October 2017.
    - averagewall 9y ago
      That's still ambiguous. Safest to use ISO format 2017-10-04. Nobody will be confused and it's the national standard for some countries. I never realised how obscure the US date format is [1]. Nobody should be using that on the internet except for specially local sites. It makes no sense to just about anybody. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country
      - officemonkey 9y ago
        I use ISO format for whenever I'm working with computers. If I have to write down the date on paper, I always use "10 NOV 2017." It's not terribly international, but it is unambiguous for many European languages. I have also seen "10 XI 2017" (using the Roman numeral for the month) when dealing with NATO and European Union documents (especially meeting notices.) I think it's a little fiddly because it doesn't appear to be in great use, but it also works.
        mark-r 9y ago
        At the last place I worked, I was responsible for the labels that tracked parts around the plant. I tried to talk them into using ISO format, as we had one plant in the US and one in Ireland and consistency was a requirement. They wouldn't go for it, the closest I could come was 2017-Nov-10.
      - mark-r 9y ago
        On top of all their other advantages, ISO dates are sortable without requiring conversions - just sort them alphabetically. I try to evangelize them whenever I can.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Also how long would it takes to be sure before reporting this ? I'm not alarmed that such information takes a bit of time before being published (2 weeks being on the limit)
ataturk 9y ago
What is it you don't understand about how modern governments operate? They do nothing for the benefit of the people, that is just the marketing hype. It is only about power and the administration of power and coercion. There is no happy friendly national-level government out there protecting its people, it is about brute force control, which includes lying and misdirecting on a daily basis. Think of the absolutely most repugnant alcoholic you have ever known and that's government. Why some people haven't figured this out is beyond me. My take is that they are mainly attracted to the exercise of force and seek to impose their will upon others while remaining above repercussion and so they overlook the obvious.

by doe88 9y ago

seszett 9y ago

It wasn't concealed at all, it hit the news in France in beginning of October. Maybe it wasn't picked up by foreign media then. The news here is the results of the investigation, showing the probable origin of the contamination after weather analysis.

doe88 9y ago
You're absolutely right, I stand corrected, they seem to have released some information as early as 10/4/17. http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Pages/20171004_Detection-ruthenium-106-en-europe.aspx http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Pages/201...
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  April? No, for all those outside USA the date of the article is 4/10/17, ie 4 October 2017.
  - averagewall 9y ago
    That's still ambiguous. Safest to use ISO format 2017-10-04. Nobody will be confused and it's the national standard for some countries. I never realised how obscure the US date format is [1]. Nobody should be using that on the internet except for specially local sites. It makes no sense to just about anybody. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country
    - officemonkey 9y ago
      I use ISO format for whenever I'm working with computers. If I have to write down the date on paper, I always use "10 NOV 2017." It's not terribly international, but it is unambiguous for many European languages. I have also seen "10 XI 2017" (using the Roman numeral for the month) when dealing with NATO and European Union documents (especially meeting notices.) I think it's a little fiddly because it doesn't appear to be in great use, but it also works.
      - mark-r 9y ago
        At the last place I worked, I was responsible for the labels that tracked parts around the plant. I tried to talk them into using ISO format, as we had one plant in the US and one in Ireland and consistency was a requirement. They wouldn't go for it, the closest I could come was 2017-Nov-10.
    - mark-r 9y ago
      On top of all their other advantages, ISO dates are sortable without requiring conversions - just sort them alphabetically. I try to evangelize them whenever I can.
agumonkey 9y ago
Also how long would it takes to be sure before reporting this ? I'm not alarmed that such information takes a bit of time before being published (2 weeks being on the limit)

ataturk 9y ago

What is it you don't understand about how modern governments operate? They do nothing for the benefit of the people, that is just the marketing hype. It is only about power and the administration of power and coercion. There is no happy friendly national-level government out there protecting its people, it is about brute force control, which includes lying and misdirecting on a daily basis. Think of the absolutely most repugnant alcoholic you have ever known and that's government. Why some people haven't figured this out is beyond me. My take is that they are mainly attracted to the exercise of force and seek to impose their will upon others while remaining above repercussion and so they overlook the obvious.