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Note 512GB RAM costing 433.00 EUR a month (500 USD). Reminder: https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/600783770925420546 https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/sta

by chx 9y ago

Note 512GB RAM costing 433.00 EUR a month (500 USD). Reminder: https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/600783770925420546 https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/600783770925420546 > Consulting service: you bring your big data problems to me, I say "your data set fits in RAM", you pay me $10,000 for saving you $500,000. Previously, the cheapest such server was 700 USD at OVH and it only included half this much of NVMe SSD. Also, I gave a talk years ago at NYCCamp trying to hammer in that most websites do not need all the scalability tricks as they fit into a single server. Well, this server can happily house a 7TB database on mirrored SSDs and that's still below 500 EUR (with "only" 128GB of RAM). You need to think very hard whether you need to shard, cluster etc.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
Your consulting advice will give you cold looks from those whose living depends on selling people complex server/"cloud" configurations under fancy names.
- DarronWyke 9y ago
  The Cloud-to-Butt plugin makes that particularly poignant.
- chx 9y ago
  I am just channeling Gary Bernhardt who is the best. He also tweeted at one point that we will oil snakes into extinction.
nikanj 9y ago
You'll never get funding with that pitch, though. Hyper-modular microservice blockchain bus is what investors want to hear. They read on the internet that the only way to survive FB levels of users is webscaling, and they won't make a bet unless they think you'll be FB sized in three years.
- wmf 9y ago
  But what if you call it NoScale™?
- chx 9y ago
  I am usually consulting for established companies with what they perceive as scalability problems but too often turns out to be a performance one.
  - CyberDildonics 9y ago
    That makes complete sense, tell me more. When you show them that there are enormous optimizations that they could be doing, what do they say?
    - chx 9y ago
      Nothing. That's the end goal. My team is hired to make their website fast. Unless we recommend a total hosting change which is rare (but it exists) there's little involvement necessary from the client and it's usually in making the necessary compromises. Like, your posts will take two minutes to be searchable but in turn your search will become 400 times faster. Is this acceptable?
- moonbug22 9y ago
  Though it may be heretical to say so in the valley, you know it is possible to grow a business without funding, right?
  - sitkack 9y ago
    In the valley you go can grow funding w/o having a business.
merb 9y ago
well you need to pay at least 20€ per Server per Month (15 € Flexi-Pack 5€ second Nic) for a private LAN. (excluding the needed switch/switches for HA, I guess they are somwhere around 20-40€ per switch depending on if HA or not)
olegkikin 9y ago
Isn't it cheaper to buy the server with that much RAM and colocate? This one is under $2K: https://www.ebay.com/itm/172727384582 https://www.ebay.com/itm/172727384582
- coverband 9y ago
  I’ve colocated servers for a long time and even though it’s counterintuitive, the price of power+kvm+bandwidth+rackspace is rarely less than the price of a managed dedicated server in the same data center.
- chx 9y ago
  Colocation is horror. You are responsible for replacing the HW if the magic smoke gets released. Nah. Just rent it. Not to mention capex vs opex. Don't forget to add two 960GB U.2 NVMe drives. Those are expensive. For eg https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-0d9-0003-000d0 https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-... $831.60 apiece. Doubles the server price. Oh I forgot you picked a server which doesn't have hotswap NVMe bays... Also that CPU is old and slow. It is the one before Sandy Bridge. I can't find the EPYC chip on the spec site but a roughly comparable Xeon: Old: https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2011q2/cpu2006-20110412-15692.html https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2011q2/cpu2006-20110... New: https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q3/cpu2006-20170626-47338.html https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q3/cpu2006-20170... (yes, the latter is 2P so you'd need to halve it, it's still twice as fast)

by chx 9y ago

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago

Your consulting advice will give you cold looks from those whose living depends on selling people complex server/"cloud" configurations under fancy names.

DarronWyke 9y ago
The Cloud-to-Butt plugin makes that particularly poignant.
chx 9y ago
I am just channeling Gary Bernhardt who is the best. He also tweeted at one point that we will oil snakes into extinction.

nikanj 9y ago

You'll never get funding with that pitch, though. Hyper-modular microservice blockchain bus is what investors want to hear. They read on the internet that the only way to survive FB levels of users is webscaling, and they won't make a bet unless they think you'll be FB sized in three years.

wmf 9y ago
But what if you call it NoScale™?
chx 9y ago
I am usually consulting for established companies with what they perceive as scalability problems but too often turns out to be a performance one.
- CyberDildonics 9y ago
  That makes complete sense, tell me more. When you show them that there are enormous optimizations that they could be doing, what do they say?
  - chx 9y ago
    Nothing. That's the end goal. My team is hired to make their website fast. Unless we recommend a total hosting change which is rare (but it exists) there's little involvement necessary from the client and it's usually in making the necessary compromises. Like, your posts will take two minutes to be searchable but in turn your search will become 400 times faster. Is this acceptable?
moonbug22 9y ago
Though it may be heretical to say so in the valley, you know it is possible to grow a business without funding, right?
- sitkack 9y ago
  In the valley you go can grow funding w/o having a business.

merb 9y ago

well you need to pay at least 20€ per Server per Month (15 € Flexi-Pack 5€ second Nic) for a private LAN. (excluding the needed switch/switches for HA, I guess they are somwhere around 20-40€ per switch depending on if HA or not)

olegkikin 9y ago

Isn't it cheaper to buy the server with that much RAM and colocate? This one is under $2K: https://www.ebay.com/itm/172727384582 https://www.ebay.com/itm/172727384582

coverband 9y ago
I’ve colocated servers for a long time and even though it’s counterintuitive, the price of power+kvm+bandwidth+rackspace is rarely less than the price of a managed dedicated server in the same data center.
chx 9y ago
Colocation is horror. You are responsible for replacing the HW if the magic smoke gets released. Nah. Just rent it. Not to mention capex vs opex. Don't forget to add two 960GB U.2 NVMe drives. Those are expensive. For eg https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-0d9-0003-000d0 https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-... $831.60 apiece. Doubles the server price. Oh I forgot you picked a server which doesn't have hotswap NVMe bays... Also that CPU is old and slow. It is the one before Sandy Bridge. I can't find the EPYC chip on the spec site but a roughly comparable Xeon: Old: https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2011q2/cpu2006-20110412-15692.html https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2011q2/cpu2006-20110... New: https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q3/cpu2006-20170626-47338.html https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q3/cpu2006-20170... (yes, the latter is 2P so you'd need to halve it, it's still twice as fast)