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Wikipedia disagrees. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0

aaron-lebo 9y ago
Yeah I was looking at that too. The definition is kind of nonsensical. Slashdot met that definition in 1997 but nobody was calling it that at the time. Web 2.0 became a very popular buzzword with Digg, Flickr etc. Or at least that's how I remember it, the author is not "wrong" for referring to it by a very popular definition. Also see: http://www.paulgraham.com/web20.html http://www.paulgraham.com/web20.html I think everyone would agree that democracy and Ajax are elements of "Web 2.0."
- mseebach 9y ago
  What's nonsensical about it? Slashdot was very avant-garde, so fits well for a term coined in 1999. I agree that AJAX represented somewhat of a technological watershed, but wikis and blogs (which came of age pre-AJAX) represented a social watershed, a much better anchor for the democracy that PG seems to consider only from a technical perspective.
  - aaron-lebo 9y ago
    This is from the criticism section of your link, by a Brit who would know better than most: Nobody really knows what it means... If Web 2.0 for you is blogs and wikis, then that is people to people. But that was what the Web was supposed to be all along... Web 2.0, for some people, it means moving some of the thinking [to the] client side, so making it more immediate, but the idea of the Web as interaction between people is really what the Web is. That was what it was designed to be... a collaborative space where people can interact. He's also called it jargon. It's not a well-defined term (or at least there are multiple definitions for it).
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  You're wrong. Neither Digg nor Flickr had anything to do with AJAX. You're thinking of the "Web App" era precipitated by Google Maps. That's a whole 'nother thing. "Web 2.0" and "crowdsourcing" were more or less one in the same. Maybe people (including Graham) have been trying to revise "Web 2.0" to include more things, to simplify the taxonomy. But when Web 2.0 first started being discussed, it wasn't about JavaScript, it was just about interactivity, specifically writeability.
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sitkack 9y ago
That article is revisionist garbage.

Yeah I was looking at that too. The definition is kind of nonsensical. Slashdot met that definition in 1997 but nobody was calling it that at the time. Web 2.0 became a very popular buzzword with Digg, Flickr etc. Or at least that's how I remember it, the author is not "wrong" for referring to it by a very popular definition. Also see: http://www.paulgraham.com/web20.html http://www.paulgraham.com/web20.html I think everyone would agree that democracy and Ajax are elements of "Web 2.0."

mseebach 9y ago
What's nonsensical about it? Slashdot was very avant-garde, so fits well for a term coined in 1999. I agree that AJAX represented somewhat of a technological watershed, but wikis and blogs (which came of age pre-AJAX) represented a social watershed, a much better anchor for the democracy that PG seems to consider only from a technical perspective.
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  This is from the criticism section of your link, by a Brit who would know better than most: Nobody really knows what it means... If Web 2.0 for you is blogs and wikis, then that is people to people. But that was what the Web was supposed to be all along... Web 2.0, for some people, it means moving some of the thinking [to the] client side, so making it more immediate, but the idea of the Web as interaction between people is really what the Web is. That was what it was designed to be... a collaborative space where people can interact. He's also called it jargon. It's not a well-defined term (or at least there are multiple definitions for it).
erikpukinskis 9y ago
You're wrong. Neither Digg nor Flickr had anything to do with AJAX. You're thinking of the "Web App" era precipitated by Google Maps. That's a whole 'nother thing. "Web 2.0" and "crowdsourcing" were more or less one in the same. Maybe people (including Graham) have been trying to revise "Web 2.0" to include more things, to simplify the taxonomy. But when Web 2.0 first started being discussed, it wasn't about JavaScript, it was just about interactivity, specifically writeability.
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sitkack 9y ago

That article is revisionist garbage.