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I had the chance to see Rachel Andrew speak at laracon. Great presentation and got me excited about flexbox and grid. I'm still wondering is the browser suppo

by wolco 9y ago

I had the chance to see Rachel Andrew speak at laracon. Great presentation and got me excited about flexbox and grid. I'm still wondering is the browser support wide enough to implement this in production for the average site?

irrational 9y ago
It all depends on if you have to support IE or not: https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox
- wolco 9y ago
  Has everyone decided to drop ie? For tech related sites that might make sense but I think not supporting ie means turning off support to the users who are older in some cases but more likely to buy. Where are people drawing the line? Bootstrap 3 still supports legacy browsers but version 4 and other popular frameworks like bulma use flexbox.
  - irrational 9y ago
    Every website is different. I work for a Fortune 150 company, but the site I work on is so narrow in focus that we have the luxury of deciding that the amount of people using IE/Edge (very very few based on our server stats) is not worth the development/QA efforts to support them. This is especially nice since none of us have a Windows machine at work or at home ;-)
  - Silhouette 9y ago
    Has everyone decided to drop ie? Maybe some consumer sites aimed at smartphone-wielding younger audiences can now get away with dropping IE completely. Maybe some sites aimed at very small businesses too. If you're aiming at older individuals or at medium to large organisations, not a chance.
- notahacker 9y ago
  With only 70% browser support, you're going to have to have a pretty strong reason to believe your audience is different (or not to care) to justify using Grids
  - dictum 9y ago
    Grids are most useful in wider viewports (tablets and laptop/desktop browsers). Except for IE11, basically all browsers that don't support Grid are outdated mobile browsers (pre-iOS 10.3 versions of Mobile Safari, Android Browser in older Android, and browsers that are based on Android Browser and have high usage in developing countries, like UC Browser)
    - e12e 9y ago
      But then the question becomes: can you (sanely) gracefully downgrade on those small screens (hopefully without making an entire early 00s separate "mobile" site)?

by wolco 9y ago

irrational 9y ago

It all depends on if you have to support IE or not: https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox

wolco 9y ago
Has everyone decided to drop ie? For tech related sites that might make sense but I think not supporting ie means turning off support to the users who are older in some cases but more likely to buy. Where are people drawing the line? Bootstrap 3 still supports legacy browsers but version 4 and other popular frameworks like bulma use flexbox.
- irrational 9y ago
  Every website is different. I work for a Fortune 150 company, but the site I work on is so narrow in focus that we have the luxury of deciding that the amount of people using IE/Edge (very very few based on our server stats) is not worth the development/QA efforts to support them. This is especially nice since none of us have a Windows machine at work or at home ;-)
- Silhouette 9y ago
  Has everyone decided to drop ie? Maybe some consumer sites aimed at smartphone-wielding younger audiences can now get away with dropping IE completely. Maybe some sites aimed at very small businesses too. If you're aiming at older individuals or at medium to large organisations, not a chance.
notahacker 9y ago
With only 70% browser support, you're going to have to have a pretty strong reason to believe your audience is different (or not to care) to justify using Grids
- dictum 9y ago
  Grids are most useful in wider viewports (tablets and laptop/desktop browsers). Except for IE11, basically all browsers that don't support Grid are outdated mobile browsers (pre-iOS 10.3 versions of Mobile Safari, Android Browser in older Android, and browsers that are based on Android Browser and have high usage in developing countries, like UC Browser)
  - e12e 9y ago
    But then the question becomes: can you (sanely) gracefully downgrade on those small screens (hopefully without making an entire early 00s separate "mobile" site)?