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I really feel like iOS 11 was released 6 months too soon. Apple really messed up with this one. I run into strange bugs daily. Sometimes apps just freeze for 10

I really feel like iOS 11 was released 6 months too soon. Apple really messed up with this one. I run into strange bugs daily. Sometimes apps just freeze for 10 or so seconds and then come back. Or apps won’t launch at all. Sometimes the problems go away or I have to reboot. I really hope they can put out some patches quickly to fix this mess.

mikelyons 9y ago
You might try flattening and reinstalling the iOS cause I have iOS 11 and have experienced none of your issues.
- bognition 9y ago
  I got an iPhone 8 when it came out and ive seen all the problems listed above.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- eyeareque 9y ago
  I thought about that. I really don’t want to lose my text history, but if I have to I will go that route. My android friends always complain about bugs on their google android phones and I used to just smile. Now I have similar problems.
  - tqkxzugoaupvwqr 9y ago
    Make a full backup. (If you use WhatsApp or some other app that has its own backup system, use the app to create the app-specific backup. For WhatsApp it is to back up to iCloud, I think). Reset your phone but don’t restore it from backup. Test it if it still shows the same problems. If not, great, you at least have a working phone again. Then reset and restore from backup, test again. Maybe you get lucky and it shows no problems with the restored data. If it shows problems, you can decide between a working phone without your data and a non-working phone with your data. Not the best choice but it is worth a try to narrow down the problem. Sucks that you have to do it in the first place.
- cheschire 9y ago
  Are you German? I only ask because I've never heard an English native speaker saying "flatten" when they mean to reformat, but I've often heard Germans say "platt machen" when referring to reinstallation. If you're not German, it's very interesting to me as it highlights my lack of exposure.
  - dwb 9y ago
    I'm a native (British) English speaker who has used "flatten" to mean re-format.
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ClassyJacket 9y ago
iOS 11 was enough to get me to move off Apple products altogether. It turned my iPhone 7 into one of the slowest, most buggy devices I've had. Everything is slow, audio constantly cuts out and stutters (even when predownloaded), there's lag switching between apps, apps reload constantly, it disconnects from Bluetooth devices at the drop of a hat, my keyboard disappears or fails to appear, and battery life is garbage - I'm charging twice a day minimum. And it looks like they removed the download button from Podcasts or moved it where I can't find it. It's not in the menu. Granted 11.1 fixes some of these issues, but I don't appreciate having my thousand dollar phone gimped for two months, and it's still worse than it was before. I'm getting a different phone, watch, and TV device. But hey, the industry still has me by the balls as long as I'm buying something every year, right?
- themodelplumber 9y ago
  It's maddening to read that iOS upgrades are still causing this kind of problem. I had a couple of iOS devices rendered near-useless due to OS upgrades around 2014 and decided to give each device a max of one major OS version upgrade in the future. I use Android more now, really like it overall, and am considering getting an Android tablet instead of my next iPad. Sorry about the trouble with your phone.
  - peterburkimsher 9y ago
    I use iOS 6.1.3 on an iPhone 4S, jailbroken and running offline apps, syncing with iTunes 10.6.3 over USB, no iCloud. It worked great 6 years ago, and it still works now. I'm not persuaded by the "updates" Apple keep trying to tell me to run; I think I'll lose more features and stability and battery life and USB sync, and not gain anything of any practical purpose to me. If Android had USB sync, I'd consider converting. But swapping one cloud ecosystem for another just doesn't work for me, I want to keep my data offline.
    - runeks 9y ago
      Aren’t you missing a lot of security updates, though? Or does Apple backport these to previous iOS versions? E.g. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/broadcom-chip-bug-opened-1-billion-phones-to-a-wi-fi-hopping-worm-attack/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/broad...
nether 9y ago
My upgrade went smoothly and everything works fine. iPhone SE here.
Spooky23 9y ago
The big one we have at work is 6/6s devices freeze or have the phone app crash when you browse recents or try to go to voicemail.
- CodeWriter23 9y ago
  Not having that on my 6S Plus, just tried it. Do they admin a standard baseline at your office?
  - Spooky23 9y ago
    We do, but configuration doesn’t correlate to issues. It seems to be very random. Maybe there are radio or baseband variants? It’s very frustrating to our guys who do this stuff as there are really no useful tools to troubleshoot.
franl 9y ago
Here’s another to add to the list: Ask your Apple Watch what the weather is. Crashes the watch and restarts it. Confirmed on my Watch S0 running latest version of iOS 11. Found out from https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-watch-bug-causing-restarts-when-asking-siri-about-the-weather.2084846/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-watch-bug-causing.... If anyone from Apple is listening, please please please raise this up the flagpole on your teams. I love Apple, and think they’re doing fantastic work overall. I get that there are unique problems with having such massive scale, but iOS 11 has been a mess from the beginning. Edit: It’s apparently “springboarding”, not restarting. Very similar experience either way.
- thinkythought 9y ago
  On a related note with the watch, try making a call using the watch as a speakerphone. I know a lot of people hate this feature, but i use it all the time while driving. It will literally, every time, connect the call then go to "call failed" after 5~ seconds. This is completely reproducible on my parents and roommates S0's even after a pair/unpair(which is to my understanding the closest you can get to a "restore") I've also gotten this to completely lock up the watch at the 'call failed' screen a few times, too
- manojlds 9y ago
  Apple's advantage has always been writing software to work on limited hardware that they control. They don't have unique problems with massive scale.
  - franl 9y ago
    I’m not saying unique to Apple. I’m saying unique to companies operating at massive scale.
  - nextos 9y ago
    And also a relatively small product line, which should make quality control easier. Although the product line has grown a bit lately. I find it interesting to note how the quality of some Apple and Google software products is declining lately. Google Hangouts is a total buggy mess. And Gmail is worse than it was some years ago. It seems that big organizations inevitably get more disordered as they grow and age. I wonder if this can be avoided or mitigated.
omarforgotpwd 9y ago
So buggy. and it seems like everyone has a different set of bugs.
fusiongyro 9y ago
My favorite issues I've noticed so far: - Messages scrolls stupidly so I am looking at two exchanges ago and can't see the most recent reply - Timer alert is delayed ~10-20 seconds if you look at the screen as it hits 0
- thinkythought 9y ago
  weirdly, i regularly had or witnessed the messages issue in iOS 9 and 10, but haven't seen it once on 11(on a 5S, 6, and 6S+ both sides). That's been fixed for me since 11.0 I wonder why some of these are so ridiculously inconsistent
- chrishas35 9y ago
  Thank you! I thought I was going crazy thanks to that Messages "feature."
  - IgorPartola 9y ago
    That was actually an issue with iOS 10 as well but only in the quick view, not the full app. There you’d see messages out of order and sometimes duplicated. In the full app opening and closing the keyboard fixes it. I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it, and actually actively made it worse.
- derefr 9y ago
  > Timer alert is delayed ~10-20 seconds if you look at the screen as it hits 0 I wonder if that's something to do with timer coalescing. The visual timer ticks down in some "cheap" way, but to actually change the view and make a noise, it has an event set in the OS scheduler—and that event only goes off at some large granularity, to prevent the scheduler from burning energy.
  - fusiongyro 9y ago
    I agree, and I don't need millisecond precision on this, but I think multiple seconds is absurd.
itbeho 9y ago
So many bugs... Some that irritate me most: lots of text boxes won’t let me copy/paste. Often a delay when changing from portrait to landscape in Safari with jumbled formatting after. What appears to be intentional programmatic latency in several apps (ie calculator but also the share function in Safari) I’m not so married to my iPhone that I won’t investigate switching to something else.
ungzd 9y ago
MacOS 10.13 is even worse. When I tried to install update, installer crashed in the middle of installation (seems that it's common problem[1]). After I managed to install it, I found out that it's extremelly slow. Time machine causes complete freeze for few seconds when starting each backup. It's literally Vista. Most issues were fixed in 10.13.1 (which installed only from second try too, each taking 2-3 hours), but, for example, Finder still has random line height that clips file icons and randomly chooses display mode for each directory. And it's supposed to "just work" so there's no way to diagnose problems. [1] https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/87690 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/87690
- brodo 9y ago
  Isn't 10.13 still beta?
  - pragone 9y ago
    Nope, got released 9/25
  - tim333 9y ago
    Nah, went non beta Sept 25th. 10.13.2 is still beta.
- anon1253 9y ago
  It completely locked my drive on a Macbook Pro mid-2014. With no warning or user information, it simply wouldn't accept my password and could not log-in. I had to drop into recovery mode and use the terminal with some obscure commands from a forum post somewhere to unlock it ... talk about user friendly. Apple is really slipping in terms of QA here. Details: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/80174 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/80174 (it had something to do with the preboot iirc, note that this wasn't on the beta but the actual release)
  - vilhelmen 9y ago
    I had disk utility telling me that my unlock password both did and did not work, and I didn't want to move forward like that. Disk utility's password prompt would do the 'ya done fucked up' wiggle at the same time the main window below it loaded partition information.
EA 9y ago
While doing a CrossFit workout, we were using the native iOS timer (because our favorite timer app from the app store doesn't work on iOS 11) and saw the time skip ahead by 8 seconds. It was confirmed by my Casio watch that was running in sync with the iPhone's timer.
- mcgarnagle 9y ago
  Really missing the old company motto that Steve Jobs used to bring: "It Just Works." That was how he got away with charging so much money. No, I don't want to hard-type my letter "I" to be a letter "i." This is why I'm no longer on windows, and why I switched from blackberry to iOS so many years ago. I want to pay extra money to save time configuring all the BS, so I can get on with my life, and achieve my goals faster.
iridium 9y ago
Resetting settings made a huge difference. Does not delete any data, only the settings across the phone

mikelyons 9y ago

You might try flattening and reinstalling the iOS cause I have iOS 11 and have experienced none of your issues.

bognition 9y ago
I got an iPhone 8 when it came out and ive seen all the problems listed above.
- deleted 9y ago
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eyeareque 9y ago
I thought about that. I really don’t want to lose my text history, but if I have to I will go that route. My android friends always complain about bugs on their google android phones and I used to just smile. Now I have similar problems.
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 9y ago
  Make a full backup. (If you use WhatsApp or some other app that has its own backup system, use the app to create the app-specific backup. For WhatsApp it is to back up to iCloud, I think). Reset your phone but don’t restore it from backup. Test it if it still shows the same problems. If not, great, you at least have a working phone again. Then reset and restore from backup, test again. Maybe you get lucky and it shows no problems with the restored data. If it shows problems, you can decide between a working phone without your data and a non-working phone with your data. Not the best choice but it is worth a try to narrow down the problem. Sucks that you have to do it in the first place.
cheschire 9y ago
Are you German? I only ask because I've never heard an English native speaker saying "flatten" when they mean to reformat, but I've often heard Germans say "platt machen" when referring to reinstallation. If you're not German, it's very interesting to me as it highlights my lack of exposure.
- dwb 9y ago
  I'm a native (British) English speaker who has used "flatten" to mean re-format.

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ClassyJacket 9y ago

iOS 11 was enough to get me to move off Apple products altogether. It turned my iPhone 7 into one of the slowest, most buggy devices I've had. Everything is slow, audio constantly cuts out and stutters (even when predownloaded), there's lag switching between apps, apps reload constantly, it disconnects from Bluetooth devices at the drop of a hat, my keyboard disappears or fails to appear, and battery life is garbage - I'm charging twice a day minimum. And it looks like they removed the download button from Podcasts or moved it where I can't find it. It's not in the menu. Granted 11.1 fixes some of these issues, but I don't appreciate having my thousand dollar phone gimped for two months, and it's still worse than it was before. I'm getting a different phone, watch, and TV device. But hey, the industry still has me by the balls as long as I'm buying something every year, right?

themodelplumber 9y ago
It's maddening to read that iOS upgrades are still causing this kind of problem. I had a couple of iOS devices rendered near-useless due to OS upgrades around 2014 and decided to give each device a max of one major OS version upgrade in the future. I use Android more now, really like it overall, and am considering getting an Android tablet instead of my next iPad. Sorry about the trouble with your phone.
- peterburkimsher 9y ago
  I use iOS 6.1.3 on an iPhone 4S, jailbroken and running offline apps, syncing with iTunes 10.6.3 over USB, no iCloud. It worked great 6 years ago, and it still works now. I'm not persuaded by the "updates" Apple keep trying to tell me to run; I think I'll lose more features and stability and battery life and USB sync, and not gain anything of any practical purpose to me. If Android had USB sync, I'd consider converting. But swapping one cloud ecosystem for another just doesn't work for me, I want to keep my data offline.
  - runeks 9y ago
    Aren’t you missing a lot of security updates, though? Or does Apple backport these to previous iOS versions? E.g. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/broadcom-chip-bug-opened-1-billion-phones-to-a-wi-fi-hopping-worm-attack/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/broad...

nether 9y ago

My upgrade went smoothly and everything works fine. iPhone SE here.

Spooky23 9y ago

The big one we have at work is 6/6s devices freeze or have the phone app crash when you browse recents or try to go to voicemail.

CodeWriter23 9y ago
Not having that on my 6S Plus, just tried it. Do they admin a standard baseline at your office?
- Spooky23 9y ago
  We do, but configuration doesn’t correlate to issues. It seems to be very random. Maybe there are radio or baseband variants? It’s very frustrating to our guys who do this stuff as there are really no useful tools to troubleshoot.

franl 9y ago

Here’s another to add to the list: Ask your Apple Watch what the weather is. Crashes the watch and restarts it. Confirmed on my Watch S0 running latest version of iOS 11. Found out from https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-watch-bug-causing-restarts-when-asking-siri-about-the-weather.2084846/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-watch-bug-causing.... If anyone from Apple is listening, please please please raise this up the flagpole on your teams. I love Apple, and think they’re doing fantastic work overall. I get that there are unique problems with having such massive scale, but iOS 11 has been a mess from the beginning. Edit: It’s apparently “springboarding”, not restarting. Very similar experience either way.

thinkythought 9y ago
On a related note with the watch, try making a call using the watch as a speakerphone. I know a lot of people hate this feature, but i use it all the time while driving. It will literally, every time, connect the call then go to "call failed" after 5~ seconds. This is completely reproducible on my parents and roommates S0's even after a pair/unpair(which is to my understanding the closest you can get to a "restore") I've also gotten this to completely lock up the watch at the 'call failed' screen a few times, too
manojlds 9y ago
Apple's advantage has always been writing software to work on limited hardware that they control. They don't have unique problems with massive scale.
- franl 9y ago
  I’m not saying unique to Apple. I’m saying unique to companies operating at massive scale.
- nextos 9y ago
  And also a relatively small product line, which should make quality control easier. Although the product line has grown a bit lately. I find it interesting to note how the quality of some Apple and Google software products is declining lately. Google Hangouts is a total buggy mess. And Gmail is worse than it was some years ago. It seems that big organizations inevitably get more disordered as they grow and age. I wonder if this can be avoided or mitigated.

omarforgotpwd 9y ago

So buggy. and it seems like everyone has a different set of bugs.

fusiongyro 9y ago

My favorite issues I've noticed so far: - Messages scrolls stupidly so I am looking at two exchanges ago and can't see the most recent reply - Timer alert is delayed ~10-20 seconds if you look at the screen as it hits 0

thinkythought 9y ago
weirdly, i regularly had or witnessed the messages issue in iOS 9 and 10, but haven't seen it once on 11(on a 5S, 6, and 6S+ both sides). That's been fixed for me since 11.0 I wonder why some of these are so ridiculously inconsistent
chrishas35 9y ago
Thank you! I thought I was going crazy thanks to that Messages "feature."
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  That was actually an issue with iOS 10 as well but only in the quick view, not the full app. There you’d see messages out of order and sometimes duplicated. In the full app opening and closing the keyboard fixes it. I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it, and actually actively made it worse.
derefr 9y ago
> Timer alert is delayed ~10-20 seconds if you look at the screen as it hits 0 I wonder if that's something to do with timer coalescing. The visual timer ticks down in some "cheap" way, but to actually change the view and make a noise, it has an event set in the OS scheduler—and that event only goes off at some large granularity, to prevent the scheduler from burning energy.
- fusiongyro 9y ago
  I agree, and I don't need millisecond precision on this, but I think multiple seconds is absurd.

itbeho 9y ago

So many bugs... Some that irritate me most: lots of text boxes won’t let me copy/paste. Often a delay when changing from portrait to landscape in Safari with jumbled formatting after. What appears to be intentional programmatic latency in several apps (ie calculator but also the share function in Safari) I’m not so married to my iPhone that I won’t investigate switching to something else.

ungzd 9y ago

MacOS 10.13 is even worse. When I tried to install update, installer crashed in the middle of installation (seems that it's common problem[1]). After I managed to install it, I found out that it's extremelly slow. Time machine causes complete freeze for few seconds when starting each backup. It's literally Vista. Most issues were fixed in 10.13.1 (which installed only from second try too, each taking 2-3 hours), but, for example, Finder still has random line height that clips file icons and randomly chooses display mode for each directory. And it's supposed to "just work" so there's no way to diagnose problems. [1] https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/87690 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/87690

brodo 9y ago
Isn't 10.13 still beta?
- pragone 9y ago
  Nope, got released 9/25
- tim333 9y ago
  Nah, went non beta Sept 25th. 10.13.2 is still beta.
anon1253 9y ago
It completely locked my drive on a Macbook Pro mid-2014. With no warning or user information, it simply wouldn't accept my password and could not log-in. I had to drop into recovery mode and use the terminal with some obscure commands from a forum post somewhere to unlock it ... talk about user friendly. Apple is really slipping in terms of QA here. Details: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/80174 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/80174 (it had something to do with the preboot iirc, note that this wasn't on the beta but the actual release)
- vilhelmen 9y ago
  I had disk utility telling me that my unlock password both did and did not work, and I didn't want to move forward like that. Disk utility's password prompt would do the 'ya done fucked up' wiggle at the same time the main window below it loaded partition information.

EA 9y ago

While doing a CrossFit workout, we were using the native iOS timer (because our favorite timer app from the app store doesn't work on iOS 11) and saw the time skip ahead by 8 seconds. It was confirmed by my Casio watch that was running in sync with the iPhone's timer.

mcgarnagle 9y ago
Really missing the old company motto that Steve Jobs used to bring: "It Just Works." That was how he got away with charging so much money. No, I don't want to hard-type my letter "I" to be a letter "i." This is why I'm no longer on windows, and why I switched from blackberry to iOS so many years ago. I want to pay extra money to save time configuring all the BS, so I can get on with my life, and achieve my goals faster.

iridium 9y ago

Resetting settings made a huge difference. Does not delete any data, only the settings across the phone