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I love Apple. I really do. But I feel so disappointed in their quality control lately. I don't understand how this made it into release.

porfirium 9y ago
Nobody understands how 11.0 made it into release
- fourstar 9y ago
  11 is so trash. Slowed me down immediately. Typing in iMessage is awful and lags like none other. I started to uninstall apps to see what I thought was an increase in speed, but I don't actually believe it. It's the very definition of planned obsolescence.
  - kentf 9y ago
    Not ideal, but after listening to an episode of Back to Work, I tried the Reset All Settings trick and for the past 4 days since it's been wonderful. Fast with good battery life and minimal things to re-install / setup. Mainly just TouchID, Wifi networks, and Apple Pay.
    - kamilszybalski 9y ago
      Let's not even start talking about the calculator animation UI that makes adding impossible...
      - saagarjha 9y ago
        This has been fixed in iOS 11.2 beta.
        vxNsr 9y ago
        This isn't Windows Phone that regular users are okay with being abused and know how to install the beta[0]. It's also kinda ridiculous that anyone is suggesting running something that Apple clearly doesn't think is ready for prime time to fix bugs. [0] Believe me I wish it was. everyday.
        saagarjha 9y ago
        I'm not suggesting that you install the beta. I'm just letting you know that this has been fixed by Apple and will be pushed out sometime in the near future.
  - hedora 9y ago
    I thought that too at first, but slowness isn’t even half the problem: 1+2+3=24 if typed quickly into the calculator, even on the fastest hardware They got rid of autoplay next episodes in podcasts, and make it take three taps to play next episode. That moron swerving during your commute Monday? That’d be one of millions of people trying to advance to the next episode. They also eliminated “mark as [un]played” in podcasts. Alerts show on the lock screen, but are missing from the alert list. The keyboard in messaging is completely different than the keyboard in third party apps (and it doesn’t have feature parity with itself across third party apps either. If I enable speech in maps, using my car bluetooth, it pauses audio and plays silence during the voice prompts. After bluetooth drops when I leave the car, it happily speaks directions into my pocket instead of realizing I arrived. The battery meter and lifetime were FUBARed for a week after I upgraded. Calendars randomly opens to a useless year overview screen, even though I only ever use the “today” screen. (and so on...) All of these issues are regressions introduced between 10 and 11, and I’m sure I’ll notice more issues over time. (Also, performance is terrible on my old phone. Web pages and apps swap out constantly, which I never noticed before. It takes Siri so long to turn on the microphone that it’s better to open the app I want, and type the query. Maps take 15 seconds to open. Time to first picture is unacceptable, and I swear the quality of the pictures is lower too).
    - mynameisvlad 9y ago
      The calculator bug is fixed in 11.2 beta. It's one of the only things in the release notes.
    - Karupan 9y ago
      Also, the weather widget does not update when location service is disabled.
      - saagarjha 9y ago
        Well, how would it? You'd need to know where you are to get the weather.
        9y ago
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  I use an Android phone and a MacBook. I assumed it was just OS X that they were fucking up, to concentrate on iOS. Interesting to know it's across the board.
  - Reason077 9y ago
    My experience with High Sierra has been great so far, with pretty much zero issues. It's one of the 'tock' releases where they focus on under-the-hood improvements rather than messing with the UI. Those are the good ones!
    - PhasmaFelis 9y ago
      Maybe so, I haven't tried that one yet. My problem is that the UI has gotten increasingly fucked up with each of the previous "tick" releases while adding absolutely nothing I'm interested in. Snow Leopard was a superior OS in every way, from my perspective. The only reason I upgraded was the increasing number of apps that required newer versions for no good reason.
- stevefeinstein 9y ago
  Nobody? Hyperbolic much?
- sneak 9y ago
  The new phone (8) is built/developed on ios11. For the 8 to ship on time, ios11 has to come out. Same with 11.1 and the 10.
  - CameronBanga 9y ago
    The iPhone X shipped with 11.0.1, as an FYI.
    - sneak 9y ago
      Oh, good to know - I guess these were mostly developed in parallel then. The 11.1 release notes specifically mentioned the 10 so I assume they were paired like each previous year’s hw+sw release.
- kps 9y ago
  It was released when the schedule said it was to be released, rather than when it was ready to be released, and things got crammed in half-baked to make the deadline. (Android has the same problem.)
djrogers 9y ago
It’s a really hard bug to run into - you have to get the bad Unicode I-that-isn’t-an-I in your autocorrect dictionary somehow (for example by having someone else text it to you multiple times), then this character shows up as an autocorrect suggestion. If you’re in messages, it still shows the fake I as an emoji, so you dont see the problem sometimes.
- c3534l 9y ago
  So this bug is contagious?
- thsowers 9y ago
  I think overall this release might lead some to believe that Apple is spending less time on QA. For instance, bugs that are much easier to run into, like the calculator bug[0] still somehow made it into production [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538666
  - saagarjha 9y ago
    They're easy to demonstrate. I'm not sure I'd qualify them as easy to run into. Generally when using the calculator (if I do use it all!) I'm not focusing on typing very fast.
  - plorkyeran 9y ago
    The iOS 10 version of the calculator app has a nearly identical issue, so it's not a very good example of things going downhill in 11.
- bpicolo 9y ago
  > for example by having someone else text it to you multiple times This one is super widespread. I don't believe I had anybody text it to me before it showed up for me. Over-the-air model update perhaps? Could have been a virus-spreading situation but it seems like something else.
- andygates 9y ago
  Stuff that people send you ends up in your dictionary? That seems problematic.
stevenj 9y ago
That's because Steve is gone.
- CodeWriter23 9y ago
  Well, and they ran off their remaining expert tear inducer, Scott Forstall. Nothing since has improved iCloud as much as Steve publicly humiliating and firing the .Mac Team.
ajwin 9y ago
Steve Jobs died.
hawski 9y ago
When you love a corporation you can only be disappointed when it does not love you back.
- mitchell209 9y ago
  They’re not even asking for their love to be returned though. They’re just disappointed that Apple is releasing poorly tested products. And that’s troublesome because bad quality directly affects Apple's sales and reputation, so it should be in their best interest to fix it.
  - brennebeck 9y ago
    Exactly
  - warkid 9y ago
    > They’re not even asking for their love to be returned though. This is true love!
  - sidlls 9y ago
    This thread is literally Apple's history the last 20 years or so. People love Apple and, but for a few hardcore types, they will put up with a lot of crap and keep Apple. Apple has done a great job marketing itself. Its products have always been slick looking. And that's the point: people will put up with a lot to associate themselves with the brand.
    - hateduser2 9y ago
      I haven’t put up with much of anything... I like Apple because it’s more usable than android. That’s all. The truth is hat everyone here has a grudge against Apple and so any time they get something wrong or there’s a bug (even something as irrelevant as the OP) they lose their mind like “haha what now Apple users.” It’s sick really. Apple is still good.
      - sidlls 9y ago
apple4ever 9y ago
It’s shocking how this made it in. I ran the iOS 11 developer betas and this never happened. Seemed like a GM issue, which is even stranger.

porfirium 9y ago

Nobody understands how 11.0 made it into release

fourstar 9y ago
11 is so trash. Slowed me down immediately. Typing in iMessage is awful and lags like none other. I started to uninstall apps to see what I thought was an increase in speed, but I don't actually believe it. It's the very definition of planned obsolescence.
- kentf 9y ago
  Not ideal, but after listening to an episode of Back to Work, I tried the Reset All Settings trick and for the past 4 days since it's been wonderful. Fast with good battery life and minimal things to re-install / setup. Mainly just TouchID, Wifi networks, and Apple Pay.
  - kamilszybalski 9y ago
    Let's not even start talking about the calculator animation UI that makes adding impossible...
    - saagarjha 9y ago
      This has been fixed in iOS 11.2 beta.
      - vxNsr 9y ago
        This isn't Windows Phone that regular users are okay with being abused and know how to install the beta[0]. It's also kinda ridiculous that anyone is suggesting running something that Apple clearly doesn't think is ready for prime time to fix bugs. [0] Believe me I wish it was. everyday.
        saagarjha 9y ago
        I'm not suggesting that you install the beta. I'm just letting you know that this has been fixed by Apple and will be pushed out sometime in the near future.
- hedora 9y ago
  I thought that too at first, but slowness isn’t even half the problem: 1+2+3=24 if typed quickly into the calculator, even on the fastest hardware They got rid of autoplay next episodes in podcasts, and make it take three taps to play next episode. That moron swerving during your commute Monday? That’d be one of millions of people trying to advance to the next episode. They also eliminated “mark as [un]played” in podcasts. Alerts show on the lock screen, but are missing from the alert list. The keyboard in messaging is completely different than the keyboard in third party apps (and it doesn’t have feature parity with itself across third party apps either. If I enable speech in maps, using my car bluetooth, it pauses audio and plays silence during the voice prompts. After bluetooth drops when I leave the car, it happily speaks directions into my pocket instead of realizing I arrived. The battery meter and lifetime were FUBARed for a week after I upgraded. Calendars randomly opens to a useless year overview screen, even though I only ever use the “today” screen. (and so on...) All of these issues are regressions introduced between 10 and 11, and I’m sure I’ll notice more issues over time. (Also, performance is terrible on my old phone. Web pages and apps swap out constantly, which I never noticed before. It takes Siri so long to turn on the microphone that it’s better to open the app I want, and type the query. Maps take 15 seconds to open. Time to first picture is unacceptable, and I swear the quality of the pictures is lower too).
  - mynameisvlad 9y ago
    The calculator bug is fixed in 11.2 beta. It's one of the only things in the release notes.
  - Karupan 9y ago
    Also, the weather widget does not update when location service is disabled.
    - saagarjha 9y ago
      Well, how would it? You'd need to know where you are to get the weather.
      - 9y ago
PhasmaFelis 9y ago
I use an Android phone and a MacBook. I assumed it was just OS X that they were fucking up, to concentrate on iOS. Interesting to know it's across the board.
- Reason077 9y ago
  My experience with High Sierra has been great so far, with pretty much zero issues. It's one of the 'tock' releases where they focus on under-the-hood improvements rather than messing with the UI. Those are the good ones!
  - PhasmaFelis 9y ago
    Maybe so, I haven't tried that one yet. My problem is that the UI has gotten increasingly fucked up with each of the previous "tick" releases while adding absolutely nothing I'm interested in. Snow Leopard was a superior OS in every way, from my perspective. The only reason I upgraded was the increasing number of apps that required newer versions for no good reason.
stevefeinstein 9y ago
Nobody? Hyperbolic much?
sneak 9y ago
The new phone (8) is built/developed on ios11. For the 8 to ship on time, ios11 has to come out. Same with 11.1 and the 10.
- CameronBanga 9y ago
  The iPhone X shipped with 11.0.1, as an FYI.
  - sneak 9y ago
    Oh, good to know - I guess these were mostly developed in parallel then. The 11.1 release notes specifically mentioned the 10 so I assume they were paired like each previous year’s hw+sw release.
kps 9y ago
It was released when the schedule said it was to be released, rather than when it was ready to be released, and things got crammed in half-baked to make the deadline. (Android has the same problem.)

djrogers 9y ago

It’s a really hard bug to run into - you have to get the bad Unicode I-that-isn’t-an-I in your autocorrect dictionary somehow (for example by having someone else text it to you multiple times), then this character shows up as an autocorrect suggestion. If you’re in messages, it still shows the fake I as an emoji, so you dont see the problem sometimes.

c3534l 9y ago
So this bug is contagious?
thsowers 9y ago
I think overall this release might lead some to believe that Apple is spending less time on QA. For instance, bugs that are much easier to run into, like the calculator bug[0] still somehow made it into production [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538666
- saagarjha 9y ago
  They're easy to demonstrate. I'm not sure I'd qualify them as easy to run into. Generally when using the calculator (if I do use it all!) I'm not focusing on typing very fast.
- plorkyeran 9y ago
  The iOS 10 version of the calculator app has a nearly identical issue, so it's not a very good example of things going downhill in 11.
bpicolo 9y ago
> for example by having someone else text it to you multiple times This one is super widespread. I don't believe I had anybody text it to me before it showed up for me. Over-the-air model update perhaps? Could have been a virus-spreading situation but it seems like something else.
andygates 9y ago
Stuff that people send you ends up in your dictionary? That seems problematic.

stevenj 9y ago

That's because Steve is gone.

CodeWriter23 9y ago
Well, and they ran off their remaining expert tear inducer, Scott Forstall. Nothing since has improved iCloud as much as Steve publicly humiliating and firing the .Mac Team.

ajwin 9y ago

Steve Jobs died.

hawski 9y ago

When you love a corporation you can only be disappointed when it does not love you back.

mitchell209 9y ago
They’re not even asking for their love to be returned though. They’re just disappointed that Apple is releasing poorly tested products. And that’s troublesome because bad quality directly affects Apple's sales and reputation, so it should be in their best interest to fix it.
- brennebeck 9y ago
  Exactly
- warkid 9y ago
  > They’re not even asking for their love to be returned though. This is true love!
- sidlls 9y ago
  This thread is literally Apple's history the last 20 years or so. People love Apple and, but for a few hardcore types, they will put up with a lot of crap and keep Apple. Apple has done a great job marketing itself. Its products have always been slick looking. And that's the point: people will put up with a lot to associate themselves with the brand.
  - hateduser2 9y ago
    I haven’t put up with much of anything... I like Apple because it’s more usable than android. That’s all. The truth is hat everyone here has a grudge against Apple and so any time they get something wrong or there’s a bug (even something as irrelevant as the OP) they lose their mind like “haha what now Apple users.” It’s sick really. Apple is still good.
    - sidlls 9y ago

apple4ever 9y ago

It’s shocking how this made it in. I ran the iOS 11 developer betas and this never happened. Seemed like a GM issue, which is even stranger.