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If you are an entrepreneur in a certain field, such as deep learning, and need to stay at the bleeding edge by having people with extensive experience to bump i

If you are an entrepreneur in a certain field, such as deep learning, and need to stay at the bleeding edge by having people with extensive experience to bump ideas off and hire as employees or partner with, it is one of the best, if not the best, areas in the world. For example, the number of AI meetups in Silicon Valley proper is many times that of East Bay, which is a hub in its own right. If you work in a right position for one of the tech giants in the area, the compensation you get will leave you with more savings than working in a much cheaper place with smaller salary. Correct me if I'm wrong. I wish to have other options as well.

Apocryphon 9y ago
Sure. What's the percentage of startups in SV working on such bleeding edge technology, as opposed to e-commerce, social media, or on demand delivery?
- nopinsight 9y ago
  I concur. I guess those are tied to investors who live in the area and do not wish to fund startups they need to travel too far to oversee? I read that a prominent SV investor values his time at $200,000 an hour. If that's true then I guess it makes sense for some investors.
raverbashing 9y ago
One of the more prominent companies in AI is in London Other companies and schools that train experts are in Canada, closer to the East Coast Bay Area seems to not be so much about people with exceedingly talent, more about people who will overwork themselves for less pay
arthur_pryor 9y ago
>> I don't get what's so great about the area, anyways. Every time I've been it's just seemed like an insanely expensive shithole...but I guess I'm not the one splashing billions of dollars around. > If you are an entrepreneur in a certain field... more prosaic: sure, it's changed some, but it's still pretty hard to beat culturally for certain sorts of people. if you like both art and technology, especially if you want access to both internationally recognized things and little-known indie things, the only other places in the US that feel like they really compete with SF are LA and NY. i don't have a job at a tech giant, but i do have what i think is a very interesting software development job, that'd be harder (but not impossible) to find in other places. realistically, because i'm cheap/frugal and interested in saving money, rent control is the only reason i can still afford to live here. but i also really take advantage of the city that i live in: in the past couple months, i've seen p-funk, actress, flying lotus, a local industrial-ish electronic duo, a handful of local noise acts, JLin, hauschka, a screening of "sun ra's space is the place", pharaoh sanders, philip glass & kronos quartet, curren$y, and a bunch i'm forgetting since i'm just listing stuff off-hand. that's an especially good few weeks in an especially good year, but even in slower times, i'm usually going to at least one show i'm really excited about every two weeks to one month. i can also eat delicious food for cheap either from taquerias or by going to the grocery store, or if i have the disposable cash, i can choose from a wide variety of higher-end options across a range of prices. i get to meet people from all over the world. i went to college here, and because of all the above, a number of my good friends from school stuck around, and so i have a very solid social network here. i volunteer at a great community radio station, where i met my girlfriend. so, for a lot of people, even transplants, wanting to stay isn't so crazy. if my GF and i both happened to get evicted, i'm not sure what we'd do. that seems unlikely, but it does always feel like a bit of a worry. i don't quite understand the resistance of the natives to the influx of new people, esp since this has literally always been kind of a gold rush town. but hey, i moved around a bunch as a kid, and i like meeting people from different places. when i told a cabdriver that i'd lived in SF for 11 years, he joked that i wasn't a native, but that i could say i was a local. so as a local, i'd say i'm very strongly YIMBY. fucking build. build housing. build better/faster/more regional transit. e.g., make it fast and easy to get from the SJ suburbs to SF and vice versa, whether it's rush hour or post-last-call. some old stuff will have to come down, some neighborhoods will change character. so it goes. better than steadily pricing out all but the most affluent and pushing them to the far edges (or entirely out of) the region.
- saiya-jin 9y ago
  Can't compare with other US cities, but this kind of 'artsy' experiences are normal if desired in any western european capital. Usually there are so many thing running in parallel that you can't catch 'em all. if the only thing making it possible for you to stay there is some unfair rigging of housing market in your favor, you're not in a very good situation.
- leggomylibro 9y ago
  As someone who is really into artsy stuff, that scene is dead in SF. Seattle, too. A whiff of tech or electricity, and you'll be ostracized in a flash. I've been really disappointed with these ostensibly libertine cities; weirdly, I'm thinking of heading back to the Midwest for tolerance and creativity. Dafuq? But them's the breaks...people in the PNW are indifferent to the point of cruelty, on the off chance that they aren't being extremely hostile for the hell of it. Sorry, but I disagree. Wanting to stay is very crazy. If I got evicted, I'd give a week's notice and take the opportunity to pack a U-haul and leave for greener pastures. What is it with people being content where they are, even when it's a creatively destitute skidrow? Not that I'm one to talk...
sjg007 9y ago
I think Toronto, Paris, NYC and London have equivalent talent.

Apocryphon 9y ago

Sure. What's the percentage of startups in SV working on such bleeding edge technology, as opposed to e-commerce, social media, or on demand delivery?

nopinsight 9y ago
I concur. I guess those are tied to investors who live in the area and do not wish to fund startups they need to travel too far to oversee? I read that a prominent SV investor values his time at $200,000 an hour. If that's true then I guess it makes sense for some investors.

raverbashing 9y ago

One of the more prominent companies in AI is in London Other companies and schools that train experts are in Canada, closer to the East Coast Bay Area seems to not be so much about people with exceedingly talent, more about people who will overwork themselves for less pay

arthur_pryor 9y ago

>> I don't get what's so great about the area, anyways. Every time I've been it's just seemed like an insanely expensive shithole...but I guess I'm not the one splashing billions of dollars around. > If you are an entrepreneur in a certain field... more prosaic: sure, it's changed some, but it's still pretty hard to beat culturally for certain sorts of people. if you like both art and technology, especially if you want access to both internationally recognized things and little-known indie things, the only other places in the US that feel like they really compete with SF are LA and NY. i don't have a job at a tech giant, but i do have what i think is a very interesting software development job, that'd be harder (but not impossible) to find in other places. realistically, because i'm cheap/frugal and interested in saving money, rent control is the only reason i can still afford to live here. but i also really take advantage of the city that i live in: in the past couple months, i've seen p-funk, actress, flying lotus, a local industrial-ish electronic duo, a handful of local noise acts, JLin, hauschka, a screening of "sun ra's space is the place", pharaoh sanders, philip glass & kronos quartet, curren$y, and a bunch i'm forgetting since i'm just listing stuff off-hand. that's an especially good few weeks in an especially good year, but even in slower times, i'm usually going to at least one show i'm really excited about every two weeks to one month. i can also eat delicious food for cheap either from taquerias or by going to the grocery store, or if i have the disposable cash, i can choose from a wide variety of higher-end options across a range of prices. i get to meet people from all over the world. i went to college here, and because of all the above, a number of my good friends from school stuck around, and so i have a very solid social network here. i volunteer at a great community radio station, where i met my girlfriend. so, for a lot of people, even transplants, wanting to stay isn't so crazy. if my GF and i both happened to get evicted, i'm not sure what we'd do. that seems unlikely, but it does always feel like a bit of a worry. i don't quite understand the resistance of the natives to the influx of new people, esp since this has literally always been kind of a gold rush town. but hey, i moved around a bunch as a kid, and i like meeting people from different places. when i told a cabdriver that i'd lived in SF for 11 years, he joked that i wasn't a native, but that i could say i was a local. so as a local, i'd say i'm very strongly YIMBY. fucking build. build housing. build better/faster/more regional transit. e.g., make it fast and easy to get from the SJ suburbs to SF and vice versa, whether it's rush hour or post-last-call. some old stuff will have to come down, some neighborhoods will change character. so it goes. better than steadily pricing out all but the most affluent and pushing them to the far edges (or entirely out of) the region.

saiya-jin 9y ago
Can't compare with other US cities, but this kind of 'artsy' experiences are normal if desired in any western european capital. Usually there are so many thing running in parallel that you can't catch 'em all. if the only thing making it possible for you to stay there is some unfair rigging of housing market in your favor, you're not in a very good situation.
leggomylibro 9y ago
As someone who is really into artsy stuff, that scene is dead in SF. Seattle, too. A whiff of tech or electricity, and you'll be ostracized in a flash. I've been really disappointed with these ostensibly libertine cities; weirdly, I'm thinking of heading back to the Midwest for tolerance and creativity. Dafuq? But them's the breaks...people in the PNW are indifferent to the point of cruelty, on the off chance that they aren't being extremely hostile for the hell of it. Sorry, but I disagree. Wanting to stay is very crazy. If I got evicted, I'd give a week's notice and take the opportunity to pack a U-haul and leave for greener pastures. What is it with people being content where they are, even when it's a creatively destitute skidrow? Not that I'm one to talk...

sjg007 9y ago

I think Toronto, Paris, NYC and London have equivalent talent.