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> I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie. So I followed the money I wonder what she followed when she was passing debate questions to Clinton. > as a

by rdtsc 9y ago

> I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie. So I followed the money I wonder what she followed when she was passing debate questions to Clinton. > as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers What Russian hackers? What's the evidence for that. It keep getting repeated, I still haven't seen anything convincing on it. > Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn. How is that not a clear case of fraud and maybe money laundering? > Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign So she is directly responsible for not having people on the ground in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin? Russians hacked her agenda apparently too and diverted her plane from there. > Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. Why didn't they raise a stink? I am guessing the administration at the time who would investigate anything was headed by Obama and he was campaigning for Hillary. So stuff like this would have been squashed pretty quickly.

akhilcacharya 9y ago
>What Russian hackers? What's the evidence for that. It keep getting repeated, I still haven't seen anything convincing There have not been any alternative explanations. Crowdstrike, government intelligence agencies and Infosec professionals all agree.
- harry8 9y ago
  ...all agree on the necessity of invading Iraq to prevent the weapons of mass destruction...
  - akhilcacharya 9y ago
    They also all agreed that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11 and not the various other crackpot theories.
    - harry8 9y ago
      Probably agree water is wet too, and other less contentious stuff. I was convinced about Osama bin Laden due to evidence. Weren't you?
      - akhilcacharya 9y ago
        I am also convinced of Russian culpability for the DNC, Podesta, Powell, McCain, etc hacks due to evidence.
        harry8 9y ago
        That has not been released..?
- shimon_e 9y ago
  Does a phishing attack and leaking that podesta's passwords were p@ssw0rd and runner1234 on to 4chan need explanation? I was monitoring 4chan when the password leaks happened. People were posting screenshots of tracking his iPad. Changing his bus schedule from NY to DC on Nov 8 to Nov 11. Tweeting that he converted and became a Trump supporter ( https://archive.fo/Cv6hK https://archive.fo/Cv6hK - note the "hi pol" this is a reference to the pol board on 4chan). And eventually wiping his iPad. Maybe the Russians downloaded a copy of all his emails during this chaos but trust me at least another dozen people did the same. He didn't realise his passwords were leaked onto 4chan for at least 12 hours. Quite honestly I do not trust any report that doesn't document what was happening on 4chan during these "hacks" as trust worthy. So far I haven't seen any journalist go to the effect to document exactly what happened to Podesta on the day his passwords were leaked to 4chan. Edit: I found this on slashdot from the time of the password leaks. https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/16/10/13/2025257/4chan-hackers-claim-to-have-remotely-wiped-john-podestas-iphone-and-ipad https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/16/10/13/2025257/4chan-hac... Edit 2: More proof that regular people gained access to his Gmail account. Seemingly whoever gained access to his twitter account did so via a password reset using his Gmail address. https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/786621649642598400/photo/1 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/78662164964259840... This for me is the ultimate card that the leaks weren't a grand conspiracy to elect Trump. Rather a security illiterate person got completely owned by trolls on the internet. Edit 3: Further more, if the Russians were really behind the phishing to capture Podesta's passwords why would they leak on 4chan where they would end up losing their control of his accounts? A state actor would try to maintain access for as long as possible. A troll would rather see everything explode.
  - akhilcacharya 9y ago
    All of the events you mention were in October after the emails were released by Wikileaks. The spearphishing attack happened in March. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899#efmAAGAAbAHLAIUAWxAXH https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899#efmAAGAAb... Also his password was never p@ssword, that was his Windows machine default pass.
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mikeyjk 9y ago
You're going to need to address each and every one of these sources and then provide equally substantial evidence in the opposite direction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks#References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_... It's a bit disingenuous to claim there is no evidence when it is so readily accessible.
- rdtsc 9y ago
  Ok let's go: > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4xa5g9/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4xa5g9/all-signs-... Oh wait, they are just quoting WaPo and CrowdStrike. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russi... Quoting CrowdStrike and committee "officials" NYT Will surely have some good evidence: > https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/russian-hackers-dnc-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/russian-hacke... "... the party and cybersecurity firm claim". Oh must be another cyber security firm. Ah nope, CrowdStrike again. I think I'll stop here. Right so 100 sources are just quoting each other. Spreading a lie and quoting it many times over times over doesn't make it any more true. It makes for a nice PR campaign for sure. I think at this point you're going to need to address the sources and find where the evidence is.

by rdtsc 9y ago

akhilcacharya 9y ago

>What Russian hackers? What's the evidence for that. It keep getting repeated, I still haven't seen anything convincing There have not been any alternative explanations. Crowdstrike, government intelligence agencies and Infosec professionals all agree.

harry8 9y ago
...all agree on the necessity of invading Iraq to prevent the weapons of mass destruction...
- akhilcacharya 9y ago
  They also all agreed that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11 and not the various other crackpot theories.
  - harry8 9y ago
    Probably agree water is wet too, and other less contentious stuff. I was convinced about Osama bin Laden due to evidence. Weren't you?
    - akhilcacharya 9y ago
      I am also convinced of Russian culpability for the DNC, Podesta, Powell, McCain, etc hacks due to evidence.
      - harry8 9y ago
        That has not been released..?
shimon_e 9y ago
Does a phishing attack and leaking that podesta's passwords were p@ssw0rd and runner1234 on to 4chan need explanation? I was monitoring 4chan when the password leaks happened. People were posting screenshots of tracking his iPad. Changing his bus schedule from NY to DC on Nov 8 to Nov 11. Tweeting that he converted and became a Trump supporter ( https://archive.fo/Cv6hK https://archive.fo/Cv6hK - note the "hi pol" this is a reference to the pol board on 4chan). And eventually wiping his iPad. Maybe the Russians downloaded a copy of all his emails during this chaos but trust me at least another dozen people did the same. He didn't realise his passwords were leaked onto 4chan for at least 12 hours. Quite honestly I do not trust any report that doesn't document what was happening on 4chan during these "hacks" as trust worthy. So far I haven't seen any journalist go to the effect to document exactly what happened to Podesta on the day his passwords were leaked to 4chan. Edit: I found this on slashdot from the time of the password leaks. https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/16/10/13/2025257/4chan-hackers-claim-to-have-remotely-wiped-john-podestas-iphone-and-ipad https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/16/10/13/2025257/4chan-hac... Edit 2: More proof that regular people gained access to his Gmail account. Seemingly whoever gained access to his twitter account did so via a password reset using his Gmail address. https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/786621649642598400/photo/1 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/78662164964259840... This for me is the ultimate card that the leaks weren't a grand conspiracy to elect Trump. Rather a security illiterate person got completely owned by trolls on the internet. Edit 3: Further more, if the Russians were really behind the phishing to capture Podesta's passwords why would they leak on 4chan where they would end up losing their control of his accounts? A state actor would try to maintain access for as long as possible. A troll would rather see everything explode.
- akhilcacharya 9y ago
  All of the events you mention were in October after the emails were released by Wikileaks. The spearphishing attack happened in March. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899#efmAAGAAbAHLAIUAWxAXH https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899#efmAAGAAb... Also his password was never p@ssword, that was his Windows machine default pass.
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mikeyjk 9y ago

You're going to need to address each and every one of these sources and then provide equally substantial evidence in the opposite direction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks#References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_... It's a bit disingenuous to claim there is no evidence when it is so readily accessible.

rdtsc 9y ago
Ok let's go: > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4xa5g9/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4xa5g9/all-signs-... Oh wait, they are just quoting WaPo and CrowdStrike. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russi... Quoting CrowdStrike and committee "officials" NYT Will surely have some good evidence: > https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/russian-hackers-dnc-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/russian-hacke... "... the party and cybersecurity firm claim". Oh must be another cyber security firm. Ah nope, CrowdStrike again. I think I'll stop here. Right so 100 sources are just quoting each other. Spreading a lie and quoting it many times over times over doesn't make it any more true. It makes for a nice PR campaign for sure. I think at this point you're going to need to address the sources and find where the evidence is.