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I think the risk versus reward for Facebook and other companies is very high. All things being equal, I think it's more likely than not they will record things,

I think the risk versus reward for Facebook and other companies is very high. All things being equal, I think it's more likely than not they will record things, will listen for words you say, and use that. The risk is enormous if it comes out with proof, but let's say they only listen a small percentage of the time, that kind of AI analysis is priceless.

dhimes 9y ago
There's no risk. If there was then there would be a statue of Edward Snowden on the National Mall. People are too stupid to care. Maybe I'm just having a bad day.
- nihonde 9y ago
  No, you’re right. There is zero accountability for this kind of stuff. No US government agency or US-based business has ever suffered for it. I defy anyone to prove me wrong.
cooper12 9y ago
I doubt it will make a difference to most people. The staunch pro-privacy stance really only exists on tech-savvy forums like HN. Go on reddit sometimes and observe how people will say "so what if Google has all my info, it's useful and free". If Zuckerberg calling his users dumb fucks for trusting him didn't get them off the platform, a "small" privacy violation like this won't either.
- dsharlet 9y ago
  This reddit post is the very top of /r/all right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/79i4cj/youtube_user_demonstrating_how_facebook_listens/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/79i4cj/youtube_user... And the general sentiment appears to be very far from what you claim. I think it's possible that this issue is going to come to a head this time around. I don't know what the outcome will be. Just saying it's confirmation bias (the likely real explanation?) may not be enough to satisfy people.
  - jacobush 9y ago
    Reddit is a small vocal tech savvy minority. The moral majority just don’t care or are too busy working three shifts to care.
- 0898 9y ago
  When did Zuckerberg say that?
  - alehul 9y ago
    http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims... It was back when he was 19, so I think it's fair to cut some slack for that, but the quote is true.
    - cooper12 9y ago
      Just because it was when he was young, does it diminish the truth of his statement or that he actually felt that way?
      - Dylan16807 9y ago
        Assume it was perfectly true at the time. Is that relevant to the current state of Facebook, with 20k employees, public stock, and a 33-year-old Zuckerberg?

dhimes 9y ago

There's no risk. If there was then there would be a statue of Edward Snowden on the National Mall. People are too stupid to care. Maybe I'm just having a bad day.

nihonde 9y ago
No, you’re right. There is zero accountability for this kind of stuff. No US government agency or US-based business has ever suffered for it. I defy anyone to prove me wrong.

cooper12 9y ago

I doubt it will make a difference to most people. The staunch pro-privacy stance really only exists on tech-savvy forums like HN. Go on reddit sometimes and observe how people will say "so what if Google has all my info, it's useful and free". If Zuckerberg calling his users dumb fucks for trusting him didn't get them off the platform, a "small" privacy violation like this won't either.

dsharlet 9y ago
This reddit post is the very top of /r/all right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/79i4cj/youtube_user_demonstrating_how_facebook_listens/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/79i4cj/youtube_user... And the general sentiment appears to be very far from what you claim. I think it's possible that this issue is going to come to a head this time around. I don't know what the outcome will be. Just saying it's confirmation bias (the likely real explanation?) may not be enough to satisfy people.
- jacobush 9y ago
  Reddit is a small vocal tech savvy minority. The moral majority just don’t care or are too busy working three shifts to care.
0898 9y ago
When did Zuckerberg say that?
- alehul 9y ago
  http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims... It was back when he was 19, so I think it's fair to cut some slack for that, but the quote is true.
  - cooper12 9y ago
    Just because it was when he was young, does it diminish the truth of his statement or that he actually felt that way?
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      Assume it was perfectly true at the time. Is that relevant to the current state of Facebook, with 20k employees, public stock, and a 33-year-old Zuckerberg?