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Despite the constant fear mongering of "stranger danger", turns out most people don't actually want to kill you. One of the things I like about the sharing eco

Despite the constant fear mongering of "stranger danger", turns out most people don't actually want to kill you. One of the things I like about the sharing economy (Uber, Airbnb, etc) is that we're slowly being reminded that it's okay to trust our neighbors, despite the constant attempts by the media to spread fear.

NegativeLatency 9y ago
Except when you neighbors are the ones renting out the apartment next to you on air bnb, and you have drunk noisy people bumping around next door all the time.
- catshirt 9y ago
  and no one in the equation killed you yet. :)
- filoleg 9y ago
  I don't see how it is different from having noisy drunk people as your permanent neighbors. Ultimately, your non-airbnb permanent neighbors are just as much of a stranger to you, with certain specific exceptions.
  - flukus 9y ago
    Your permanent neighbors tend to be noisy and drunk occasionally, people renting an airbnb are on holidays and likely to be noisy and drunk, then a week later you'll get a new batch likely to be noisy and drunk.
    - baddox 9y ago
      But does anyone oppose reasonable rules for time-of-day-based noise levels in an apartment or neighborhood? It really doesn’t matter if your permanent neighbors or transient guests are the ones making the noise, either should cause the property owner/renter to get fined/evicted.
      - poorrights 9y ago
        What y’all apparently don’t understand is that people living somewhere permanently have a vested interest in not being dicks to their neighbors (for various reasons that you’re probably smart enough to divine if you dedicate just an iota of thought to it; we’re all smart people, yeah?). If you’re just going to leave in three days, you have no such restriction.
      - Spooky23 9y ago
        Good idea, but guess what? The Airbnb people are gone in the morning, they don’t really care!
      - throwawayjava 9y ago
        > But does anyone oppose reasonable rules for time-of-day-based noise levels in an apartment or neighborhood? Even if this were a viable solution, it does nothing for the lost sleep during the months (or in may case, full year) it takes to establish these rules and get them consistently enforced. Also, it's not a viable solution. There are a couple huge problems. First, evicting owners is no small thing. In fact, neither is evicting renters. In fact, neither is fining owners/renters for sums of money that would actually cause a change in behavior. These are all very expensive options of last resort that are likely to end in lawyer fees. Second, with notable exceptions, HOAs/land lords dislike playing mediator/enforcer (and for good reason -- see below). So rules are hard to make and harder to enforce. Third, there's a real cost imposed on any community that tries to legislate "be a normal neighbor". If you want an enumeration of the potential downsides of this approach, talk to anyone who has had a bad experience with an over-zealous HOA. You could try to make and enforce a set of rules in a way that solves the problem but doesn't drive normal neighbors insane with pedantic/vindictive rule-violation-reporting. But it turns out that's a rather hard set of rules to come up with/fairly enforce. It's just much easier and, frankly, more effective, to ban airbnb et al. I'm not opposed to apartment sharing on principle, and in fact my personal political philosophy should bias me toward defending the practice. But my actual experience makes me wary of buildings/neighborhoods that allow airbnb. If airbnb doesn't figure out a solution to this problem, they're going to face increasing resistance.
        9y ago
brazzy 9y ago
> turns out most people don't actually want to kill you. All it takes is one person who does. > One of the things I like about the sharing economy (Uber, Airbnb, etc) is that we're slowly being reminded that it's okay to trust our neighbors Except it's not neighbors but complete strangers you're asked to trust, and that trust is sometime misplaced. There's absolutely no difference in that between the "sharing economy" (which has little to do with sharing) and just plain economy. And keep in mind that it's not in fact random strangers you interact with, there and in many other situations - an activity can be more dangerous than the random chance of meeting a dangerous criminal would indicate, when it attracts such criminals more than it attracts other people, possibly because it makes it easier for them to find victims or evade detection. None of which matters for Halloween candy, since it's provided by actual neighbors and so common that it really is basically random.
- throwaway613834 9y ago
  >> One of the things I like about the sharing economy (Uber, Airbnb, etc) is that we're slowly being reminded that it's okay to trust our neighbors > Except it's not neighbors but complete strangers you're asked to trust, and that trust is sometime misplaced. I'm guessing you've never lived in a place where the common means of transportation is to just stand by the street, look for the next car coming by with empty seats, and signal/ask how much it is to your destination?
  - mc32 9y ago
    So I guess when people complain about being assaulted by poor vetting by Uber, that's just noise and the uproar is overblown and we should accept assault by taxi drivers as the price of living in society.
    - throwaway613834 9y ago
      > So I guess when people complain about being assaulted by poor vetting by Uber, that's just noise and the uproar is overblown and we should accept assault by taxi drivers as the price of living in society. What kind of a strawman is that? Where did I ever suggest you should just "accept assault by taxi drivers"? Go report them so that we can weed them out. Nobody suggested we do nothing.
branchless 9y ago
airbnb/uber are not "sharing", they are people renting/driving on a permanent basis, in the main.

NegativeLatency 9y ago

Except when you neighbors are the ones renting out the apartment next to you on air bnb, and you have drunk noisy people bumping around next door all the time.

catshirt 9y ago
and no one in the equation killed you yet. :)
filoleg 9y ago
I don't see how it is different from having noisy drunk people as your permanent neighbors. Ultimately, your non-airbnb permanent neighbors are just as much of a stranger to you, with certain specific exceptions.
- flukus 9y ago
  Your permanent neighbors tend to be noisy and drunk occasionally, people renting an airbnb are on holidays and likely to be noisy and drunk, then a week later you'll get a new batch likely to be noisy and drunk.
  - baddox 9y ago
    But does anyone oppose reasonable rules for time-of-day-based noise levels in an apartment or neighborhood? It really doesn’t matter if your permanent neighbors or transient guests are the ones making the noise, either should cause the property owner/renter to get fined/evicted.
    - poorrights 9y ago
      What y’all apparently don’t understand is that people living somewhere permanently have a vested interest in not being dicks to their neighbors (for various reasons that you’re probably smart enough to divine if you dedicate just an iota of thought to it; we’re all smart people, yeah?). If you’re just going to leave in three days, you have no such restriction.
    - Spooky23 9y ago
      Good idea, but guess what? The Airbnb people are gone in the morning, they don’t really care!
    - throwawayjava 9y ago
      > But does anyone oppose reasonable rules for time-of-day-based noise levels in an apartment or neighborhood? Even if this were a viable solution, it does nothing for the lost sleep during the months (or in may case, full year) it takes to establish these rules and get them consistently enforced. Also, it's not a viable solution. There are a couple huge problems. First, evicting owners is no small thing. In fact, neither is evicting renters. In fact, neither is fining owners/renters for sums of money that would actually cause a change in behavior. These are all very expensive options of last resort that are likely to end in lawyer fees. Second, with notable exceptions, HOAs/land lords dislike playing mediator/enforcer (and for good reason -- see below). So rules are hard to make and harder to enforce. Third, there's a real cost imposed on any community that tries to legislate "be a normal neighbor". If you want an enumeration of the potential downsides of this approach, talk to anyone who has had a bad experience with an over-zealous HOA. You could try to make and enforce a set of rules in a way that solves the problem but doesn't drive normal neighbors insane with pedantic/vindictive rule-violation-reporting. But it turns out that's a rather hard set of rules to come up with/fairly enforce. It's just much easier and, frankly, more effective, to ban airbnb et al. I'm not opposed to apartment sharing on principle, and in fact my personal political philosophy should bias me toward defending the practice. But my actual experience makes me wary of buildings/neighborhoods that allow airbnb. If airbnb doesn't figure out a solution to this problem, they're going to face increasing resistance.
      - 9y ago

brazzy 9y ago

> turns out most people don't actually want to kill you. All it takes is one person who does. > One of the things I like about the sharing economy (Uber, Airbnb, etc) is that we're slowly being reminded that it's okay to trust our neighbors Except it's not neighbors but complete strangers you're asked to trust, and that trust is sometime misplaced. There's absolutely no difference in that between the "sharing economy" (which has little to do with sharing) and just plain economy. And keep in mind that it's not in fact random strangers you interact with, there and in many other situations - an activity can be more dangerous than the random chance of meeting a dangerous criminal would indicate, when it attracts such criminals more than it attracts other people, possibly because it makes it easier for them to find victims or evade detection. None of which matters for Halloween candy, since it's provided by actual neighbors and so common that it really is basically random.

throwaway613834 9y ago
>> One of the things I like about the sharing economy (Uber, Airbnb, etc) is that we're slowly being reminded that it's okay to trust our neighbors > Except it's not neighbors but complete strangers you're asked to trust, and that trust is sometime misplaced. I'm guessing you've never lived in a place where the common means of transportation is to just stand by the street, look for the next car coming by with empty seats, and signal/ask how much it is to your destination?
- mc32 9y ago
  So I guess when people complain about being assaulted by poor vetting by Uber, that's just noise and the uproar is overblown and we should accept assault by taxi drivers as the price of living in society.
  - throwaway613834 9y ago
    > So I guess when people complain about being assaulted by poor vetting by Uber, that's just noise and the uproar is overblown and we should accept assault by taxi drivers as the price of living in society. What kind of a strawman is that? Where did I ever suggest you should just "accept assault by taxi drivers"? Go report them so that we can weed them out. Nobody suggested we do nothing.

branchless 9y ago

airbnb/uber are not "sharing", they are people renting/driving on a permanent basis, in the main.