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I really hope that those will be as good as their new CPUs and Apple would consider them if they don't have ARM in the works. It would be nice to have an octa-

I really hope that those will be as good as their new CPUs and Apple would consider them if they don't have ARM in the works. It would be nice to have an octa-core in a laptop. Also would be really nice to have Vega as well — current Radeons aren't very good compared to 10-series nVidia chips.

ksec 9y ago
Mac Mini! But for some reason I dont think Apple cares anymore. They will continue to have HDD as standard and crappy Intel iGPU.
baldfat 9y ago
They are 200% faster. Says so in the article. Think when Apple finally moved to Intel and th speed increase. EVEN though Apple claimed they were the as fast if no faster before the switch. AMD had horrible performance on laptops and they are finally able to say they doubled the speed AKA they had a horrible product before. "For its own part, AMD claims that the new Ryzen chips will offer dramatically improved performance over its own last generation of laptop chips, with up to 200 percent more CPU performance (for multicore use) and up to 128 percent better GPU performance, although AMD’s last generation of chips weren’t exactly computational powerhouses to start." https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/26/16552208/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-7-2700u-laptop-processors-intel-core-i5-i7-chips-cores https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/26/16552208/...
- firethief 9y ago
  That's triple the speed.
  - baldfat 9y ago
    Double speed 200% = 2.00 2000 mhz * 2 is 4000 mhz Tripple would be 300%
    - robhu 9y ago
      Yes and it's "200 percent more", the more being the key bit. More being 100% + (200%), i.e. 300%, i.e. triple.
    - lyk 9y ago
      Is 100% faster equal to 1.00x?
    - seanp2k2 9y ago
      200% faster means “on top of the 100% of the current speed”. Think about when a toilet roll says “25% more free” and the “normal” roll is 100 sheets. I’d expect the “more” roll to have 125, or expect to have a bonus 5th roll of 100 in a 4-pack.
mtgx 9y ago
Yes, I think if the 8-core APU isn't happening this generation (obviously with 45+ W TDP), then it should definitely happen whenever AMD switches to the 7nm process.
- Tuna-Fish 9y ago
  I believe that they will actually go to 6-core APU, not 8. The reason for this belief is that currently the basic building block of Zen line is the CCX, which is 4 cores. Raven ridge is 1 CCX and GPU, Ryzen chips are 2 CCX, EPYC CPUs are made of 4x ryzen, for a total of 32 cores. But, when AMD advertised their server platform, the promised that in the next generation there will be 48-core chips that will be drop-in compatible with current server boards. Because the memory channels/PCIE lanes need to remain positioned for 4 chips, they can't just put 6 chips in. This implies that they will go from 8-core Ryzen to 12-core Ryzen 2, and the smallest change to make that happen is probably a 6-core CCX. And if they drop that same CCX into their 2nd generation Zen APU, that would make it a 6-core chip.
  - Roritharr 9y ago
    Thanks, thats the analysis depth i'm usually looking for but never find anywhere!
  - MrRadar 9y ago
    It's pretty crazy to think that in just a year or two 192 threads will likely be available on commodity dual-socket x86 server hardware...
    - subwayclub 9y ago
      It's the race for core counts that we've been expecting since the mid 2000s - just a lot later than anyone expected since we detoured into GPU and mobile computing. Our software still isn't really ready for it, but I guess that's to be expected.
      - jorvi 9y ago
mkroman 9y ago
Apple is unlikely to move away from Intel because of the dependency on Thunderbolt. Intel has announced that Thunderbolt 3 will become royalty-free in 2018[1], but it's gonna be a long while before ever getting to market. [1] http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-has-a-grand-plan-to-bring-thunderbolt-3-ports-to-every-laptop http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-has-a-grand-plan-to-brin...

ksec 9y ago

Mac Mini! But for some reason I dont think Apple cares anymore. They will continue to have HDD as standard and crappy Intel iGPU.

baldfat 9y ago

They are 200% faster. Says so in the article. Think when Apple finally moved to Intel and th speed increase. EVEN though Apple claimed they were the as fast if no faster before the switch. AMD had horrible performance on laptops and they are finally able to say they doubled the speed AKA they had a horrible product before. "For its own part, AMD claims that the new Ryzen chips will offer dramatically improved performance over its own last generation of laptop chips, with up to 200 percent more CPU performance (for multicore use) and up to 128 percent better GPU performance, although AMD’s last generation of chips weren’t exactly computational powerhouses to start." https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/26/16552208/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-7-2700u-laptop-processors-intel-core-i5-i7-chips-cores https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/26/16552208/...

firethief 9y ago
That's triple the speed.
- baldfat 9y ago
  Double speed 200% = 2.00 2000 mhz * 2 is 4000 mhz Tripple would be 300%
  - robhu 9y ago
    Yes and it's "200 percent more", the more being the key bit. More being 100% + (200%), i.e. 300%, i.e. triple.
  - lyk 9y ago
    Is 100% faster equal to 1.00x?
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    200% faster means “on top of the 100% of the current speed”. Think about when a toilet roll says “25% more free” and the “normal” roll is 100 sheets. I’d expect the “more” roll to have 125, or expect to have a bonus 5th roll of 100 in a 4-pack.

mtgx 9y ago

Yes, I think if the 8-core APU isn't happening this generation (obviously with 45+ W TDP), then it should definitely happen whenever AMD switches to the 7nm process.

Tuna-Fish 9y ago
I believe that they will actually go to 6-core APU, not 8. The reason for this belief is that currently the basic building block of Zen line is the CCX, which is 4 cores. Raven ridge is 1 CCX and GPU, Ryzen chips are 2 CCX, EPYC CPUs are made of 4x ryzen, for a total of 32 cores. But, when AMD advertised their server platform, the promised that in the next generation there will be 48-core chips that will be drop-in compatible with current server boards. Because the memory channels/PCIE lanes need to remain positioned for 4 chips, they can't just put 6 chips in. This implies that they will go from 8-core Ryzen to 12-core Ryzen 2, and the smallest change to make that happen is probably a 6-core CCX. And if they drop that same CCX into their 2nd generation Zen APU, that would make it a 6-core chip.
- Roritharr 9y ago
  Thanks, thats the analysis depth i'm usually looking for but never find anywhere!
- MrRadar 9y ago
  It's pretty crazy to think that in just a year or two 192 threads will likely be available on commodity dual-socket x86 server hardware...
  - subwayclub 9y ago
    It's the race for core counts that we've been expecting since the mid 2000s - just a lot later than anyone expected since we detoured into GPU and mobile computing. Our software still isn't really ready for it, but I guess that's to be expected.
    - jorvi 9y ago

mkroman 9y ago

Apple is unlikely to move away from Intel because of the dependency on Thunderbolt. Intel has announced that Thunderbolt 3 will become royalty-free in 2018[1], but it's gonna be a long while before ever getting to market. [1] http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-has-a-grand-plan-to-bring-thunderbolt-3-ports-to-every-laptop http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-has-a-grand-plan-to-brin...