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They also have giant emerging markets around the world, far more numerous than Canada, the US, and Western Europe. If history is a guided then generations of to

They also have giant emerging markets around the world, far more numerous than Canada, the US, and Western Europe. If history is a guided then generations of tobacco execs can strike it rich by killing people, before the gig is up. Edit: Reply: Indonesia meanwhile... China controls about 41% of the global market, but Asia Pacific market overall is 64%. That’s... a lot. Then there’s India... Africa... Still it is true that China is the number 1 in the world in terms of both production and consumption.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Many of hose markets are extremely protected. The tobacco industry in China for example is completely local, growing in Yunnan and driving smoking policy as a bunch of SOEs.
topmonk 9y ago
> If history is a guided then generations of tobacco execs can strike it rich by killing people, before the gig is up. You know, some people like cigarettes, despite the health effects. No one is "killing" you, if you decide to use a product even though you are aware of the risks.
- QAPereo 9y ago
  Such people are a minority of smokers around the world, and given how addictive nicotine is, probably fooling themselves. The average smoker is in the Asia Pacific region, India, Indonesia, and Africa, and is impoverished. In those regions as elsewhere, socioeconomic class and education correlate with the lowest numbers of smokers.
  - topmonk 9y ago
    > Such people are a minority of smokers around the world, and given how addictive nicotine is, probably fooling themselves Do you have statistics on that? Sounds a little suspect. > The average smoker is in the Asia Pacific region, India, Indonesia, and Africa, and is impoverished. Another vague statistic. I'm really curious, where'd you get it? >In those regions as elsewhere, socioeconomic class and education correlate with the lowest numbers of smokers. Poor people like different things than rich people? So what?
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      So you do like “obscure statistics” after all! Good! https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/global/pdfs/en/Global_Cigarette_Industry_pdf.pdf https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/global/pdfs/en/Global... Your turn.
      - topmonk 9y ago
        > So you do like “obscure statistics” after all! Good! No, I just don't like people claiming a bunch of truths, with no data to back it up. Also, don't dump a bunch of propaganda on me and expect me to dig through it looking to verify your claims. Show me where in that does it say that the average smoker is "impoverished". Or that a majority of smokers around the world don't like to smoke, and are doing it simply because they are addicted.
    - mlazos 9y ago
      The implication here is that a lack of education leads to a misunderstanding of the risks of smoking. Whether that implication is true or not doesn’t really matter though, you don’t agree that the notion of “choice” hardly matters when a substance as addictive as nicotine is involved?
      - topmonk 9y ago
        People have been smoking tobacco for thousands of years. I don't think it's become such a terrible vice in the last 10 that it must be banned.
        QAPereo 9y ago
        Where are your citations?
        topmonk 9y ago
        I didn't know I needed a citation for that. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/promotions/chi-ugc-article-british-international-school-of-chicago-linc-2017-08-02-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/promotions/chi-ugc-ar... > The history of cigarettes dates back to as early as 4000 BC in The South America.
- DanBC 9y ago
  > if you decide to use a product even though you are aware of the risks. vast majority of smokers are not aware of the risks. they have some vague knowledge that smoking is dangerous, bu most smokers don't know, for example, that smoking is a leading cause of erectile dysfunction.
  - topmonk 9y ago
    But they do know that some of their parents, friends, uncles, cousins, grandparents smoked and lived happy lives. Instead of diving into obscure statistics finding things to worry about.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    Do you have any data to back that assertion up? I suspect most smokers know the health risks, it's just that they are addicted.
    - ekianjo 9y ago
      Only in developed countries because of years of awareness campaigns. Consider developing countries have NONEof those and you can start to grasp how true that statement is.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      Here are a few: 2005: pregnant women know smoking is harmful; many tried to give up; but "awareness and acceptance of specific risks were inadequate." http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595239700186321 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595239700186321 2005: "Knowledge and perceived risk of cardiovascular, pulmonary, and oral disease was high among current smokers; knowledge and perceived risk of reproductive-related problems, and cancers other than lung cancer was much lower. Smokers recognize that smoking may result in premature death, but are less likely to acknowledge that smoking could result in a disability significantly affecting their quality of life." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15850879 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15850879 2015: "Only half of current smokers considered themselves at higher risk of lung cancer than the average-risk population, and less than 40% of individuals were aware that the risk of lung cancer never disappears after smoking cessation" http://www.esmo.org/Conferences/Past-Conferences/ELCC-2015-Lung-Cancer/News-Press-Releases/Smokers-Underestimate-Risks-of-a-Few-Cigarettes http://www.esmo.org/Conferences/Past-Conferences/ELCC-2015-L...

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Many of hose markets are extremely protected. The tobacco industry in China for example is completely local, growing in Yunnan and driving smoking policy as a bunch of SOEs.

topmonk 9y ago

> If history is a guided then generations of tobacco execs can strike it rich by killing people, before the gig is up. You know, some people like cigarettes, despite the health effects. No one is "killing" you, if you decide to use a product even though you are aware of the risks.

QAPereo 9y ago
Such people are a minority of smokers around the world, and given how addictive nicotine is, probably fooling themselves. The average smoker is in the Asia Pacific region, India, Indonesia, and Africa, and is impoverished. In those regions as elsewhere, socioeconomic class and education correlate with the lowest numbers of smokers.
- topmonk 9y ago
  > Such people are a minority of smokers around the world, and given how addictive nicotine is, probably fooling themselves Do you have statistics on that? Sounds a little suspect. > The average smoker is in the Asia Pacific region, India, Indonesia, and Africa, and is impoverished. Another vague statistic. I'm really curious, where'd you get it? >In those regions as elsewhere, socioeconomic class and education correlate with the lowest numbers of smokers. Poor people like different things than rich people? So what?
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    So you do like “obscure statistics” after all! Good! https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/global/pdfs/en/Global_Cigarette_Industry_pdf.pdf https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/assets/global/pdfs/en/Global... Your turn.
    - topmonk 9y ago
      > So you do like “obscure statistics” after all! Good! No, I just don't like people claiming a bunch of truths, with no data to back it up. Also, don't dump a bunch of propaganda on me and expect me to dig through it looking to verify your claims. Show me where in that does it say that the average smoker is "impoverished". Or that a majority of smokers around the world don't like to smoke, and are doing it simply because they are addicted.
  - mlazos 9y ago
    The implication here is that a lack of education leads to a misunderstanding of the risks of smoking. Whether that implication is true or not doesn’t really matter though, you don’t agree that the notion of “choice” hardly matters when a substance as addictive as nicotine is involved?
    - topmonk 9y ago
      People have been smoking tobacco for thousands of years. I don't think it's become such a terrible vice in the last 10 that it must be banned.
      - QAPereo 9y ago
        Where are your citations?
        topmonk 9y ago
        I didn't know I needed a citation for that. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/promotions/chi-ugc-article-british-international-school-of-chicago-linc-2017-08-02-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/promotions/chi-ugc-ar... > The history of cigarettes dates back to as early as 4000 BC in The South America.
DanBC 9y ago
> if you decide to use a product even though you are aware of the risks. vast majority of smokers are not aware of the risks. they have some vague knowledge that smoking is dangerous, bu most smokers don't know, for example, that smoking is a leading cause of erectile dysfunction.
- topmonk 9y ago
  But they do know that some of their parents, friends, uncles, cousins, grandparents smoked and lived happy lives. Instead of diving into obscure statistics finding things to worry about.
- Clubber 9y ago
  Do you have any data to back that assertion up? I suspect most smokers know the health risks, it's just that they are addicted.
  - ekianjo 9y ago
    Only in developed countries because of years of awareness campaigns. Consider developing countries have NONEof those and you can start to grasp how true that statement is.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    Here are a few: 2005: pregnant women know smoking is harmful; many tried to give up; but "awareness and acceptance of specific risks were inadequate." http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595239700186321 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595239700186321 2005: "Knowledge and perceived risk of cardiovascular, pulmonary, and oral disease was high among current smokers; knowledge and perceived risk of reproductive-related problems, and cancers other than lung cancer was much lower. Smokers recognize that smoking may result in premature death, but are less likely to acknowledge that smoking could result in a disability significantly affecting their quality of life." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15850879 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15850879 2015: "Only half of current smokers considered themselves at higher risk of lung cancer than the average-risk population, and less than 40% of individuals were aware that the risk of lung cancer never disappears after smoking cessation" http://www.esmo.org/Conferences/Past-Conferences/ELCC-2015-Lung-Cancer/News-Press-Releases/Smokers-Underestimate-Risks-of-a-Few-Cigarettes http://www.esmo.org/Conferences/Past-Conferences/ELCC-2015-L...