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Speaking as a boring professional, yes, artists may be insufferable in plenty of ways, but boring they are not and their presence is important for establishing
by michaelchisari 9y ago
Speaking as a boring professional, yes, artists may be insufferable in plenty of ways, but boring they are not and their presence is important for establishing and growing a local culture, whereas professionals are good for growing an economy and both are needed for a healthy, vibrant city.
- WalterBright 9y agoI know some artists, and many of them are definitely boring :-) Just because someone decides to be an artist and sticks seashells on a model house doesn't make them interesting. And why would, for example, playing a trumpet well make you intrinsically more interesting than mastering complex mathematics? I'd rather have lunch with the mathematician. In fact, Feynman is at the top of the list of people I'd like to have lunch with, and it's not about his bongo drum playing. (P.S. I learned to play the trumpet in my youth.)
- michaelchisari 9y agoBecause most people can relate to music on an emotional level better than they can relate to complex mathematics. It sounds like you know some pretty terrible artists, though. I mean, seashells on a model house? PS. Feynman is Feynman for a reason.
- torstenvl 9y agoPeople who only relate on an emotional level and don't appreciate intellectual complexity are - wait for it - boring.
- michaelchisari 9y agoYou said only, not me. Great art is heavy on intellectual complexity.
- WalterBright 9y agoThe Beatles made some of the greatest music in history, but "she loves you yeah yeah yeah" is a mite lacking in intellectual complexity.
- goldfeld 9y agoFar from making greatest works even in modern music, but they made greatness accessible.
- WalterBright 9y ago> accessible I was always baffled by what that was supposed to mean.
- michaelchisari 9y agoYou're going to bring up the Beatles, and not bring up Tomorrow Never Knows or Blue Jay Way or anything off of Sgt. Pepper? And all art has a wide expanse between commercially available and popular, and the avant garde, and within that range is another range between simplicity and complexity. Art also encompasses film, fiction, the visual arts, music. All of which have a massive range of intellectual importance and depth. No offense, but I feel as though you're showing your ignorance much more than proving your point.
- WalterBright 9y ago> All of which have a massive range Of course they do. I'm merely challenging your claim "Great art is heavy on intellectual complexity." There's no doubt at all that "She Loves You" is a great song. Personally, I prefer the earlier Beatles tunes rather than Sgt Pepper. Perhaps you could quote from the latter some lyrics that have deep meaning to you? I also greatly enjoy Led Zeppelin, have every album, even cover albums, but am under no illusions about the intellectual complexity of "squeeze my lemon".
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- watwut 9y agoThis whole thread sounds like hurt feelings.
- Daishiman 9y agoArtists generally have a pretty profound application of intellect to their work, which is usually much more conceptually interesting than building a CRUD app. And they also work with people who don't take an intellectual approach to their production but rather follow intuition. One thing is certain: it's a more heterogenous environment. I find that to be extremely stimulating.
- WalterBright 9y ago> Artists generally have a pretty profound application of intellect to their work, which is usually much more conceptually interesting than building a CRUD app. Deciding to become an artist doesn't make one profound or conceptually interesting. Rather few artists achieve that. The starving artist community generally has not, which is why they are starving. After all, how many TV shows you watch are "pretty intellectually profound"? And those artists are good enough to get paid for their work, most aren't.