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Can't use that excuse when it's the side supporting "no" perpetrating the violence.
by beojan 9y ago
Can't use that excuse when it's the side supporting "no" perpetrating the violence.
- alvatar 9y agoThe side supporting "yes" perpetrates equal amounts of violence. Is just the propaganda machine is much more developed on that side (with the money from all Spaniards...)
- ryanlol 9y agoShow examples. https://spanishpolice.github.io/ https://spanishpolice.github.io/
- alvatar 9y agoAs I said, the propaganda machine is more developed in one side. The story is related by those who have a stronger interest. I've indeed seen videos of violence against those who don't think like the independentist. And I've lived in the region for 6 years, there are many other forms of violence as well. But you can look it up on the internet. You won't find a web index with hundreds of videos though, that doesn't surprise me.
- yellowapple 9y ago"I've indeed seen videos of violence against those who don't think like the independentist." Do you have any links to specific videos?
- wst_ 9y agoInteresting that this page title is "Videos of the Repression lived in Catalonia by the Spanish Police" while the video shows in most cases professional work of the force, especially considering the behavior of crowd. I don't want to take any sides, but know this - crowd plus emotions might turn into something dangerous. We should put emotions aside and then consider the situation. I am not telling that what happened was good, but sometimes you must choose the lesser eveil.
- matthewmacleod 9y agoI’m not there, so I can’t say for sure, but those I know in Catalonia have been pretty clear that this isn’t the case.
- Silhouette 9y agoThe side supporting "yes" perpetrates equal amounts of violence. Really? I didn't see the footage of the Mossos throwing people who weren't in favour of independence down stairs or dragging them around by their hair. Where do I find it?
- icebraining 9y agoIs just the propaganda machine is much more developed on that side Thus supporting the case that Catalonia is being dragged down by Spain - even their propaganda machines are better! :D
- alvatar 9y agoThank you for polarizing into "better and worse" humans.
- icebraining 9y agoIt's called a joke. I'm a descendant of Galicians myself.
- alvatar 9y agoNo times for jokes when the whole country is a mess due to a nationalist movement.
- dang 9y agoThis breaks the HN guidelines. Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- alvatar 9y agoI apologize for my interpretation and response. It wouldn't be the first time that I read or hear comments of Catalans being superior to the rest of the Spanish.
- alvatar 9y agoYou can keep downvoting me for thinking differently from what is seen is media. No, I admit it, there was shameful violence that day. But there is also daily violence against those who think differently and don't support the nationalist and xenophobic ideas behind the independentist movements. Of course, that's not admitted openly.
- farresito 9y agoSource?
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoAre you saying it's fine if the vote doesn't represent the democratic will of the people as a whole because the government was using violent means to ensure the rule of law? So a minority group should be able to unilaterally dismantle a country contrary to the democratic wishes of the occupants? As presented you appear to stand firmly against democracy, is that so? If the vote has been carried out properly then there would be a leg to stand on.
- ryanlol 9y agoDemocratic will is the will of voters, by not voting you choose to let others decide for you. You can’t reward people for not voting, that’s just utterly insane.
- MLR 9y agoIn the minds of the Spanish people of Catalonia the referendum was completely illegitimate, why would they vote in it?
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoMy mistake, I thought demos was the people not the "voters". /s Not voting in an illegal ballot seems reasonable. The rule of law is a cornerstone of democracy as too are free and fair elections.
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