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I have absolutely nothing to gain from the sun being close to its highest point at 12 o' clock. I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings

by kmm 9y ago

zeveb 9y ago
> I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings. May I suggest leaving for home earlier? And a child comment of yours wants an extra hour of light in the mornings. You can't have it both ways! There's a finite amount of light in the day: not everyone can have everything he wants. So why not just settle for making noon be noon, rather than taking an hour from Spooky23 and giving it to you, or taking it from you and giving it to Spooky23?
- asavadatti 9y ago
  Not always possible to leave for home earlier (with meetings and such)
  - Steko 9y ago
    But you’re not actually leaving earlier, it’s the exact same point in time whether you call it 6pm EST or 7pm EDT. Not trying to be patronizing as I realize you are not dumb and know this but I’m explaining the disconnect between sides of this argument.
  - toast0 9y ago
    Book a standing meeting on your calend/ar to leave at 4 (or whenever). For exceptional meetings, make an exception and stay late. Probably come in early, or some how signal that you're not a slacker, just running a different schedule. This obviously doesn't work in all environments, but it can in many.
- ant6n 9y ago
  Maybe we should have some sort of compromise system: in the summer where there's plenty of sunlight hours we can get that extra hour in the evening (without sacrificing morning light hours), and in the winter we could have a sightly shifted time to make sure the stm doesn't get up too late.
- kmm 9y ago
  I don't know what kind of flexibility HN'ers have, but the overwhelming majority of people can't just decide to leave whenever they please. And it's utterly missing the point, keeping track of time is an inherently social issue. If I didn't care about other people (and again, had no time-related obligations to work or study), I'd most likely just use UTC everywhere and wake up whenever I wanted. I want more light in the evenings exactly because that's when I'm outside, and if I went to bed at 8pm, my social life would suffer. Making solar noon 12 o' clock would be giving the all light to Spooky23 (and wasting most of it), as practically everyone wakes up at most 6 hours before noon, but are awake for 10 hours after. Noon isn't the middle of normal waking day. Making solar noon 2 hours late is exactly the compromise!

I have absolutely nothing to gain from the sun being close to its highest point at 12 o' clock. I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings

by kmm 9y ago

I have absolutely nothing to gain from the sun being close to its highest point at 12 o' clock. I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings

zeveb 9y ago

> I have a lot to gain from an extra hour of light in my evenings. May I suggest leaving for home earlier? And a child comment of yours wants an extra hour of light in the mornings. You can't have it both ways! There's a finite amount of light in the day: not everyone can have everything he wants. So why not just settle for making noon be noon, rather than taking an hour from Spooky23 and giving it to you, or taking it from you and giving it to Spooky23?

asavadatti 9y ago
Not always possible to leave for home earlier (with meetings and such)
- Steko 9y ago
  But you’re not actually leaving earlier, it’s the exact same point in time whether you call it 6pm EST or 7pm EDT. Not trying to be patronizing as I realize you are not dumb and know this but I’m explaining the disconnect between sides of this argument.
- toast0 9y ago
  Book a standing meeting on your calend/ar to leave at 4 (or whenever). For exceptional meetings, make an exception and stay late. Probably come in early, or some how signal that you're not a slacker, just running a different schedule. This obviously doesn't work in all environments, but it can in many.
ant6n 9y ago
Maybe we should have some sort of compromise system: in the summer where there's plenty of sunlight hours we can get that extra hour in the evening (without sacrificing morning light hours), and in the winter we could have a sightly shifted time to make sure the stm doesn't get up too late.
kmm 9y ago
I don't know what kind of flexibility HN'ers have, but the overwhelming majority of people can't just decide to leave whenever they please. And it's utterly missing the point, keeping track of time is an inherently social issue. If I didn't care about other people (and again, had no time-related obligations to work or study), I'd most likely just use UTC everywhere and wake up whenever I wanted. I want more light in the evenings exactly because that's when I'm outside, and if I went to bed at 8pm, my social life would suffer. Making solar noon 12 o' clock would be giving the all light to Spooky23 (and wasting most of it), as practically everyone wakes up at most 6 hours before noon, but are awake for 10 hours after. Noon isn't the middle of normal waking day. Making solar noon 2 hours late is exactly the compromise!