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What an ignorant comment. Who has Trump committed genocide on? Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house?

by Danihan 9y ago

travmatt 9y ago
>Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house? Seb Gorka
- Danihan 9y ago
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/donald-trump-aide-sebastian-gorka-denies-claims-has-links-hungarian/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/donald-trump-aide... >Mr Gorka denied any anti-Semitism in his family. >He said his father had protected Jewish boys wearing yellow stars on the way to school as a child. When Communists took power, he supplied information to MI6 before being arrested, tortured and imprisoned (possibly betrayed by Kim Philby). He arrived in the UK after escaping during the 1956 uprising. How exactly is that "self-proclaimed" when he is denying it.
  - travmatt 9y ago
    On one hand he says that he isn’t a part of the order, on the other hand he wore their insignia to the inaugural ball. Maybe he was using neo nazi symbolism ironically?
    - Danihan 9y ago
      >Leslie Waters, prof of European History at Randolph-Macon College, said: “It definitely is a symbol that a lot of Hungarians would associate with racist ideology and anti-Semitism but plenty of Hungarians also associate it with some sort of generic patriotism and anti-communism.” Or he wore it to reflect his family history and as an anti-communist symbol....
      - travmatt 9y ago
        His family history as nazis? Also, thank god he’s trying to draw attention to the anti-communist movements in the world, seeing as communism is really a key global issue in the world today.
      - orwin 9y ago
        I agree with you in your comment that point that these disguised insults against trump are inappropriate here (saying this more directly could have better effect imo). But please, you seems to be a good guy, do not fall into the Tribal trap, whether it is "i must defend m own even if i'm wrong" or "He has opinions from the opposite side, he must be wrong on everything else". The people this man hang out with AND this symbol he wore are enough evidences that he support, even if it is a little, Nazi ideology. Since nowaday, nazi ideology has several sides, xenophobic, antisemitic, racist ant anti-feminist (i might forgot some), he might agree on at least one, and if you're dead set on defending him you can say he is only xenophobic or something, and the other part of neonazism, he doesn't support, but are you really believing that he wore this to say "i'm anti-communist"? If he did, he must have been seriously misinformed (and anyone this out of touch, honestly, deserve to be kicked of of any job that require you to understand history). Please do not go tribal on Hn.
kbhn 9y ago
> Who has Trump committed genocide on? Genocidal doesn't necessarily mean he's committed genocide; it means that he's prone to (and to some extent, fascinated by) mass acts of killing. The tweets about promising fire and fury on an entire nation of people (North Korea), telling Fox that we need to kill the terrorist families as well, etc. He gets off feeling like he's the most powerful man in the world. He's a strongman, whose solutions often involve labeling entire categories of people as bad/evil (Muslims, Mexicans, the media). If you haven't noticed this you're either not paying attention or willfully ignorant.
- Danihan 9y ago
  Genocidal means a proclivity to commit genocide. I believe you have do it once before you can be called that, in all fairness. Generally, threatening war (and generally even going to war) is not considered genocide. >and to some extent, fascinated by We don't call people murderers just because they like watching CSI Miami. In fact, the person Trump was threatening with his "fire and fury" remarks legitimately IS genocidal and has ACTIVE CONCENTRATION CAMPS in his country. Yet you think it's more important to criticize Trump for entering into a war of words, rather than the dictator himself?
- NathanCH 9y ago
  Saying someone is prone to genocide because they are xenophobic is a massive stretch.
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  You're identifying things which make him an authoritarian, a strongman, and an idiot, but that still doesn't make him genocidal. That has a very specific meaning.
- ImSkeptical 9y ago
  Threatening a country that is threatening us isn't exactly genocidal. Killing families of terrorists is deeply immoral and murderous - but it's also in keeping with current U.S. policy (see Anwar al-Awlaki - both Trump and Obama administrations have killed Awlaki's children). Terrorists aren't a race though, so wanting to kill them and their families isn't genocide.
vesak 9y ago
Well, "Make America great again" seems essentially like a nazi expression, based on the fact that Hitler and his crowd used the same for Germany. I don't know what it needs to make somebody a nazi -- not a single phrase certainly, but I reckon that brings them closer at least.
- Danihan 9y ago
  It's very pathetic to me how desperate people are to label Trump a Nazi, simply because he criticizes Islam and wants to scale back immigration (which the public never even voted to approve in the first place.) Towards your main point: https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/03/reagan-great-again.jpg?w=1035 https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/03... -- Most politicians talk about making their countries great or better, obviously.
  - zghst 9y ago
    They called Bush a racist, dumb guy, etc. I’m sure next Republican around they’ll cherish how much they missed Trump for his humor and spirit.
    - theseatoms 9y ago
      Undoubtedly. The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined.
      - awj 9y ago
        > The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined. Do you think it's a good thing that your political opinions are so profoundly influenced by shitposting you see online?
        Danihan 9y ago
        The entire predominant media narrative is not just "shitposting online." https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Chasing-Story-600-LI.jpg https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/...
bogomipz 9y ago
You don't have to commit genocide to be "genocidal." It's an adjective that means either "involving or relating to" to the act. Similarly we say someone is "suicidal" but that doesn't mean they have committed suicide. Having or displaying an attitude or a policy that could kill lots of people(presumably the OP is referring to North Korea" can be correctly labeled genocidal.

What an ignorant comment. Who has Trump committed genocide on? Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house?

travmatt 9y ago

>Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house? Seb Gorka

Danihan 9y ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/donald-trump-aide-sebastian-gorka-denies-claims-has-links-hungarian/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/donald-trump-aide... >Mr Gorka denied any anti-Semitism in his family. >He said his father had protected Jewish boys wearing yellow stars on the way to school as a child. When Communists took power, he supplied information to MI6 before being arrested, tortured and imprisoned (possibly betrayed by Kim Philby). He arrived in the UK after escaping during the 1956 uprising. How exactly is that "self-proclaimed" when he is denying it.
- travmatt 9y ago
  On one hand he says that he isn’t a part of the order, on the other hand he wore their insignia to the inaugural ball. Maybe he was using neo nazi symbolism ironically?
  - Danihan 9y ago
    >Leslie Waters, prof of European History at Randolph-Macon College, said: “It definitely is a symbol that a lot of Hungarians would associate with racist ideology and anti-Semitism but plenty of Hungarians also associate it with some sort of generic patriotism and anti-communism.” Or he wore it to reflect his family history and as an anti-communist symbol....
    - travmatt 9y ago
      His family history as nazis? Also, thank god he’s trying to draw attention to the anti-communist movements in the world, seeing as communism is really a key global issue in the world today.
    - orwin 9y ago
      I agree with you in your comment that point that these disguised insults against trump are inappropriate here (saying this more directly could have better effect imo). But please, you seems to be a good guy, do not fall into the Tribal trap, whether it is "i must defend m own even if i'm wrong" or "He has opinions from the opposite side, he must be wrong on everything else". The people this man hang out with AND this symbol he wore are enough evidences that he support, even if it is a little, Nazi ideology. Since nowaday, nazi ideology has several sides, xenophobic, antisemitic, racist ant anti-feminist (i might forgot some), he might agree on at least one, and if you're dead set on defending him you can say he is only xenophobic or something, and the other part of neonazism, he doesn't support, but are you really believing that he wore this to say "i'm anti-communist"? If he did, he must have been seriously misinformed (and anyone this out of touch, honestly, deserve to be kicked of of any job that require you to understand history). Please do not go tribal on Hn.

kbhn 9y ago

> Who has Trump committed genocide on? Genocidal doesn't necessarily mean he's committed genocide; it means that he's prone to (and to some extent, fascinated by) mass acts of killing. The tweets about promising fire and fury on an entire nation of people (North Korea), telling Fox that we need to kill the terrorist families as well, etc. He gets off feeling like he's the most powerful man in the world. He's a strongman, whose solutions often involve labeling entire categories of people as bad/evil (Muslims, Mexicans, the media). If you haven't noticed this you're either not paying attention or willfully ignorant.

Danihan 9y ago
Genocidal means a proclivity to commit genocide. I believe you have do it once before you can be called that, in all fairness. Generally, threatening war (and generally even going to war) is not considered genocide. >and to some extent, fascinated by We don't call people murderers just because they like watching CSI Miami. In fact, the person Trump was threatening with his "fire and fury" remarks legitimately IS genocidal and has ACTIVE CONCENTRATION CAMPS in his country. Yet you think it's more important to criticize Trump for entering into a war of words, rather than the dictator himself?
NathanCH 9y ago
Saying someone is prone to genocide because they are xenophobic is a massive stretch.
aaron-lebo 9y ago
You're identifying things which make him an authoritarian, a strongman, and an idiot, but that still doesn't make him genocidal. That has a very specific meaning.
ImSkeptical 9y ago
Threatening a country that is threatening us isn't exactly genocidal. Killing families of terrorists is deeply immoral and murderous - but it's also in keeping with current U.S. policy (see Anwar al-Awlaki - both Trump and Obama administrations have killed Awlaki's children). Terrorists aren't a race though, so wanting to kill them and their families isn't genocide.

vesak 9y ago

Well, "Make America great again" seems essentially like a nazi expression, based on the fact that Hitler and his crowd used the same for Germany. I don't know what it needs to make somebody a nazi -- not a single phrase certainly, but I reckon that brings them closer at least.

Danihan 9y ago
It's very pathetic to me how desperate people are to label Trump a Nazi, simply because he criticizes Islam and wants to scale back immigration (which the public never even voted to approve in the first place.) Towards your main point: https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/03/reagan-great-again.jpg?w=1035 https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/03... -- Most politicians talk about making their countries great or better, obviously.
- zghst 9y ago
  They called Bush a racist, dumb guy, etc. I’m sure next Republican around they’ll cherish how much they missed Trump for his humor and spirit.
  - theseatoms 9y ago
    Undoubtedly. The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined.
    - awj 9y ago
      > The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined. Do you think it's a good thing that your political opinions are so profoundly influenced by shitposting you see online?
      - Danihan 9y ago
        The entire predominant media narrative is not just "shitposting online." https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Chasing-Story-600-LI.jpg https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/...

bogomipz 9y ago

You don't have to commit genocide to be "genocidal." It's an adjective that means either "involving or relating to" to the act. Similarly we say someone is "suicidal" but that doesn't mean they have committed suicide. Having or displaying an attitude or a policy that could kill lots of people(presumably the OP is referring to North Korea" can be correctly labeled genocidal.